Can raw energy create Order

[Rev. Rye]

[Faith No More]

You know, it makes me feel a little bit better about only having half of a semester of community college under my belt when I realize that I have a greater understanding of entropy than someone with a Ph.D.

[John V]

You have a point to a certain extent BUT:

A: Abiogenesis: How life started from non-life
B: Evolution: What happened next.

So evolution does not rely on abiogenesis because you could insert some other thing at A and not invalidate B.

What other thing could you insert at A? Panspermia just moves the location of abiogenesis. Are there other scientific alternatives?

[Mister Agenda]

The points in that article are irrelevant to evolution. You want abiogenesis, look that up

Yeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it.

God could have popped the first living cell out of thin air, and evolution would still get us where we are today and be just as valid an explanation of the evidence.

[John V]

[Mister Agenda]

[Esquilax]

No, when you use words completely incorrectly, it's worth noting.

Then I invite you to continue to quibble endlessly while I ignore it all and discuss the salient points of the discussion.

You reject creationism and panspermia just moves abiogenesis to a different location. So, yes, evolution is dependent on abiogenesis.

It doesn't matter what I think is the answer to the origin of life, it matters what that answer actually is: right now, that answer, honestly, is that we don't know. We do know, however, that evolution is occurring, regardless of what origin we eventually do discover for life.

I can know that a line of dominoes is falling without being able to see the very first domino, after all.

Use the word consistently with its claimed meaning and I won't be able to call you out on it.

The word has two meanings, like some words do: you decided to pull the standard dishonest tactic of demanding everyone use the incorrect definition so you can pull one over on us. Sorry, but I don't play that game.

You're likely having trouble wording it because "life" is surprisingly difficult to define.

Sure. This point, however, has nothing to do with the fact that evolution is occurring, despite our lack of knowledge of the beginnings of life. Perhaps you'd like to get to your point, if you can take time away from your busy schedule as the arbiter of definitions?

[Doubting Thomas]