I would now posit a new theory. Given the data, it appears that ignorance generates stupidity. seems legit to me 
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 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione  (September 14, 2013 at 6:40 am)Rationalman Wrote: The points in that article are irrelevant to evolution. You want abiogenesis, look that upYeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. 
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Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am)John V Wrote: Yeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. Abiogenesis concerns the appearance of life from non organic molecules. Evolution theory concerns the change of organisms over time. They are not related theories in any way. Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up
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Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm) Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione
Premise: Abiogenesis is incomplete.
Therefore: It must have been god. Beautifull, a pig wearing the finest robes... fuck me...  (September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am)John V Wrote:(September 14, 2013 at 6:40 am)Rationalman Wrote: The points in that article are irrelevant to evolution. You want abiogenesis, look that upYeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. Which textbook are you referring to? 
Doesn't matter. General handwaving in the direction of textbooks in general is more than enough to substantiate his assertion. For the credulous and the already convinced, anyway. That's the grist to the creationist rumour mill.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am)John V Wrote:(September 14, 2013 at 6:40 am)Rationalman Wrote: The points in that article are irrelevant to evolution. You want abiogenesis, look that upYeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. Abiogenesis is of peripheral relevance to evolution at best, because we know evolution is reality. Whether or not abiogenesis is, won't change that. Just because abiogenesis has not been confirmed doesn't mean we should put a chapter on "magical deity snapped supernatural fingers and stuff lived" as a placeholder.  RE: Can raw energy create Order
September 14, 2013 at 6:16 pm
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There's no such thing as 'raw energy'.
(September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am)John V Wrote:(September 14, 2013 at 6:40 am)Rationalman Wrote: The points in that article are irrelevant to evolution. You want abiogenesis, look that upYeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. ...Okay, no. Practically every mathematics textbook I've ever owned had a few small chapters on formal logic, but they are not one and the same. Go be stupid in another thread. :l
Some might say he does.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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September 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm
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(September 14, 2013 at 11:34 am)John V Wrote: Yeah. And you can look it up in a college evolution textbook. Most of them have a chapter on abiogenesis. But they're two completely different things. Really...I mean it. I know I am late to the party concerning this bit of stupidity, but I just can't help myself anyway. Hell, I didn't get too much sleep last night, so I need an easy target today. Evolution does NOT explain the origins of life, only the diversity of life once it already exists. It's not natures fault that abiogenesis is a more rational hypothesis than your pet god idea. Everything within our current understanding of chemistry points to the probability that life began from nonliving organic molecules. Scientists from the Scripps Institute created self replicating RNA enzymes, that evolve, several years ago. It was done again in Cambridge in the UK. Self replicating RNA enzymes were the precursors to RNA, which is the precursor to DNA. So, it would seem science produced actual evidence for abiogenesis. Still waiting for same for your god..... You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence. |
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