Why is Tyre Still Here When God Said it Would Sink Under the Waves?

[downbeatplumb]

Of coarse I addressed it to you. But just like Hiroshima, the old city is gone, neither old city was rebuilt, new ones were put in their place. The World Trade Center could have been rebuilt exactly like they were, yet the new ones would not be the the old ones, just because a place keeps it's name does not mean it's the same as the old one. Is this beyond your comprehension.

GC

So your idea of a rebuilt city to be the same city is for it to be brick by brick identical to what it was like before the "destruction".

You do realise that this is an unrealistic view of any city and would mean that London is not the same city it was a fortnight ago, let alone post world war 2, or are you saying that Nazis can claim to have destroyed London so thoroughly that it was never re-built!

[Angrboda]

It's a sad comment on apologetics that it is no longer at all concerned with showing themselves correct. It's all about finding new and better ways of avoiding having to admit that you are wrong. And the latest move on that front is to redefine the meaning of words, logic, and language to artificially make it so that, for any question, you simply can't get there from here; and if you can, they'll simply hurriedly erect a new wall of ad hoc definitions and conventions to eliminate that route. This is the tactic of presupppositionalism and semantic bullshit like GC's argument here. The modern Christian apologist has holed up here and contends fiercely to prevent himself from being moved from this ground. Meanwhile, the rest of the world Blitzkriegs past this Christian Maginot line and rolls into Paris unopposed.

(For the logicians here, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You can't change one meaning without effecting all of the meanings surrounding, and more critically, the inferences and implications dependent upon those meanings. It's a form of borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, logically. While he's saving his bacon on one front, he's undermining it on another. The end result is he feels that he has gotten something for nothing -- which he often has, as many don't recognize the secondary consequences of such maneuvers in order to effectively rebut them [or are someone who recognizes in such behaviors the signature of a dishonest and unethical twat who isn't worth their time and attention and just ignores that person's bullshit]. However, once you've committed yourself to such a move, itself a form of equivocation, you've committed yourself to the unpleasant ramifications of having adopted such an asinine position if someone should challenge you on the matter.)

(ETA: It brings to mind a second pathetic side of modern apologetics. It's no longer about 'defending the faith' or even engaging the enemy at all. The apologetics of a Craig, for example, are not about convincing anyone of anything, and is solely aimed at stoking the fires of the faithful, encouraging them to more bellicose and obnoxious expressions of faith. It has become essentially, 'preaching to the choir', itself a tacit admission that Christian reasons are sterile and impotent, and completely powerless to move someone who doesn't already believe. It is an implicit act of 'giving up', because at some level, they've realized they cannot win on the basis of the arguments and evidence they have. It is a form of cultural sour grapes; turning away from reason and logic and persuasion because their cult cannot hope to appeal on that basis.)

[Minimalist]

I find it interesting that YHWH would use a pagan like Alexander as the instrument of Tyre's destruction

Like an aging mafia don, yhwh goes from creating the universe all by himself to drowning damn near everyone to smiting Egypt but then needs "joshua" to kill the Canaanites one-by-one to then needing the Assyrians to punish the Israelites, and the Babylonians to punish the Judahites and the Greeks and Romans and Arabs and British and so on and so on always punishing someone.

But he increasingly has to hire hit men to do his dirty work. Perhaps he has Alzheimer's? Maybe god needs viagra, too?

[Cyberman]

Not when he's got so many fluffers willing to work for nothing.

[Jackalope]

Not when he's got so many fluffers willing to work for nothing.

And yet, somehow he remains flaccid and unable to deliver the money shot.

[Godscreated]

I have a better argument...

Looks like that what GC pretty much did with Deist Paladin's post.

I never addressed Deist Paladin, my original post on this thread was before his, go spew you crap somewhere else.

GC

[Jackalope]

@Godschild - perhaps you missed this.

But just like Hiroshima, the old city is gone, neither old city was rebuilt, new ones were put in their place.

When and by whom was it destroyed, GC? Alexander sure as shit didn't. He did destroy the adjacent mainland settlement of Ushu, but the city of Tyre was captured, not destroyed - not by Alexander, or anyone else.

[Minimalist]

He misseth much.

[Lemonvariable72]

Looks like that what GC pretty much did with Deist Paladin's post.

I never addressed Deist Paladin, my original post on this thread was before his, go spew you crap somewhere else.

GC

No but what deistpaladin referred to is right there in the bible excerpt I posted.

[Brakeman]

GC will be able to answer it soon. The church has hired some scribes to make the needed changes in the usual way..