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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 22, 2013 at 6:30 pm
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Quote: (September 22, 2013 at 6:27 pm)Nightfoot92 Wrote: Oh absolutely. What I'm saying is if science actually proved the simulation theory we'd all say, "Okay," and then go on with our lives. It wouldn't change the world in the slightest. No commandments. No moral dilemmas. No cult of WindowsXP flying planes into the Macintosh building.
Well, the Cult of WindowsXP is already at war with Apple. We will just have to see how long until the war goes from cold to hot  I think you got that backwards.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm
(September 22, 2013 at 2:29 am)max-greece Wrote: There is no reason why the universe could not be a program running on a computer. The implications if it is, however, are vast. We have covered this in a previous thread not all that long ago. Sadly I can't remember anything else about that thread so I can't find it.
Found it:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20705.html
Yes there is you fucking moron! For the same reason our solar system is not a god.
The "implications" are not science based. The "implications" be they traditional G/od bullshit are the same. It sounds nice, I like it.
The reason you don't buy crap is simple. It can feel good, but most of the time the person selling it to you is full of shit themselves.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 22, 2013 at 6:46 pm
(September 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes there is you fucking moron!
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 8:57 am
My reasoning against a digital reality is simply from observing our own computers. Could an omniversal computer lack errors? Downtime? Our reality seems so much smoother than a digitally managed reality. While it is nice to relate, the hypothesis is not an observable fact or testable experiment.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 9:20 am
(September 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (September 22, 2013 at 2:29 am)max-greece Wrote: There is no reason why the universe could not be a program running on a computer. The implications if it is, however, are vast. We have covered this in a previous thread not all that long ago. Sadly I can't remember anything else about that thread so I can't find it.
Found it:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20705.html
Yes there is you fucking moron! For the same reason our solar system is not a god.
The "implications" are not science based. The "implications" be they traditional G/od bullshit are the same. It sounds nice, I like it.
The reason you don't buy crap is simple. It can feel good, but most of the time the person selling it to you is full of shit themselves.
Chill out ABBA dude.
Its not a religion and in this case it feels neither good nor bad. Its just a possibility that is being investigated. We'll know sooner or later and if the universe is analogue that's fine. If its digital there are implications is all.
Oh - and no-one's selling anything here either. Its just evaluating the universe we live in and trying to understand it. It may be a wrong turning - there have been many, but those are as interesting and useful and taking the right path, another side-street eliminated from our mapless hunt.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 4:06 pm
(September 23, 2013 at 8:57 am)Walking Void Wrote: My reasoning against a digital reality is simply from observing our own computers. Could an omniversal computer lack errors? Downtime? Our reality seems so much smoother than a digitally managed reality. While it is nice to relate, the hypothesis is not an observable fact or testable experiment.
We wouldn't know of a glitch. If this program suddenly locked up, once it was fixed we would continue on as if nothing had happened.
There is an ALLLL-knowing, ALLLL-powerful, inVISible being who is everywhere, who created the WHOLE universe, who lives in another dimension called heaven, who is perfect in every way, who was never born and will never die, and who watches you every minute of every day (even when you're squeezing one out on the toilet). There are also unicorns, leprechauns, Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, and a giant purple people eater.
JUST BELIEVE IT!
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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(September 23, 2013 at 8:57 am)Walking Void Wrote: My reasoning against a digital reality is simply from observing our own computers. Could an omniversal computer lack errors? Downtime? Our reality seems so much smoother than a digitally managed reality. While it is nice to relate, the hypothesis is not an observable fact or testable experiment. I don't even go that far.
It is just as stupid as claiming a god with the same types of problems as any naked assertion.
You have to go beyond laymen speculation first off. Secondly it would also imply a cognition to write that "simulation". And it would also have the problem of infinite regress.
(September 23, 2013 at 9:20 am)max-greece Wrote: (September 22, 2013 at 6:38 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes there is you fucking moron! For the same reason our solar system is not a god.
The "implications" are not science based. The "implications" be they traditional G/od bullshit are the same. It sounds nice, I like it.
The reason you don't buy crap is simple. It can feel good, but most of the time the person selling it to you is full of shit themselves.
Chill out ABBA dude.
Its not a religion and in this case it feels neither good nor bad. Its just a possibility that is being investigated. We'll know sooner or later and if the universe is analogue that's fine. If its digital there are implications is all.
Oh - and no-one's selling anything here either. Its just evaluating the universe we live in and trying to understand it. It may be a wrong turning - there have been many, but those are as interesting and useful and taking the right path, another side-street eliminated from our mapless hunt.
So? This is how all good cons start. Does anyone seriously think for example cryogenics is real science? It is garbage, just like this is garbage.
No the universe is not a computer program, period. No amount of dressing it up in si fi woo is going to make such absurd speculation true.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 7:52 pm
(September 23, 2013 at 5:04 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (September 23, 2013 at 8:57 am)Walking Void Wrote: My reasoning against a digital reality is simply from observing our own computers. Could an omniversal computer lack errors? Downtime? Our reality seems so much smoother than a digitally managed reality. While it is nice to relate, the hypothesis is not an observable fact or testable experiment. I don't even go that far.
It is just as stupid as claiming a god with the same types of problems as any naked assertion.
You have to go beyond laymen speculation first off. Secondly it would also imply a cognition to write that "simulation". And it would also have the problem of infinite regress.
(September 23, 2013 at 9:20 am)max-greece Wrote: Chill out ABBA dude.
Its not a religion and in this case it feels neither good nor bad. Its just a possibility that is being investigated. We'll know sooner or later and if the universe is analogue that's fine. If its digital there are implications is all.
Oh - and no-one's selling anything here either. Its just evaluating the universe we live in and trying to understand it. It may be a wrong turning - there have been many, but those are as interesting and useful and taking the right path, another side-street eliminated from our mapless hunt.
So? This is how all good cons start. Does anyone seriously think for example cryogenics is real science? It is garbage, just like this is garbage.
No the universe is not a computer program, period. No amount of dressing it up in si fi woo is going to make such absurd speculation true.
I was not implying that this was a simulation by a computer, but whether or not everything that I do is based in 1s and 0s, if ultimate reality was really right there all along, in something we developed ages ago, mathematics.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 8:52 pm
A fully coherent reality requires must more than information system based on 1s and 0s. It also needs a substrate to support it and intelligence to interpret it.
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RE: Is reality like a computer?
September 23, 2013 at 9:02 pm
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(September 23, 2013 at 8:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: A fully coherent reality requires must more than information system based on 1s and 0s. It also needs a substrate to support it and intelligence to interpret it.
Ah-hah! That is what I've been saying all along. If there was a creator god*, it would have to work within the restraints of some underlying substrate. Since we now understand that everything and nothing are both underlying potentialities of space itself, it would seem that being a creator would require a little less 'blinking-into-existence'. Then again, why the middle man? What reason is there to think that space is inhibited by something like inertia from whizzing stuff freely into and out of existence? What is the god needed for and how would the nature of space account for their emergence?
* Don't get your hopes up.
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