To what extent is a rape victim responsible for the crime?

[Creed of Heresy]

I think they live in the Vatican.

[NoraBrimstone]

Another thing that bothers me about this is the blatant objectification of women. Why is rape compared so often to various types of theft? Women are people, rapists don't "take" or "steal" during a rape. It's a violent assault against another person. Nothing is being taken, it's being done. Compare it to other violent assaults if you like, a person beaten, stabbed or shot in the street. That's the only legitimate comparison to other crimes.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well since rape itself is the crime, I'd say that the rape victim bears no real weight in this, but I also take this into consideration.
It is true that most people mostly of the feminist community look at the rape issue from the wrong way. They look at it from a moral standpoint that is not in correlation with reality.
Reality is that some rapists do actually have preferences in their victims.
Most of these look for a women that they think is of a "lesser reputation", meaning, doing or wearing things that represent this. In the case the victim knows the rapist or otherwise(unmarried and non-related) the way that the girl acts or is known in public is very important. Such girls are in my opinion, more likely to get raped. You don't really hear too many cases of girls being raped in their homes or next to their friends.

So rather than putting blame, I'd say that a girl has to be a responsible person, and should abstain from walking the night alone, or going to places alone to actually minimize the risk of being sexually assaulted.

[Zazzy]

You don't really hear too many cases of girls being raped in their homes or next to their friends.

Talk to any cop or DA and you'll find you are wrong about this. Most rapes are not stranger rapes. They are committed by acquaintances, friends, boyfriends, and ex-boyfriends. They happen in homes, at parties, in cars, etc, not in back alleys. They happen because women feel comfortable and safe with people they know and so let their guard down.

So rather than putting blame, I'd say that a girl has to be a responsible person, and should abstain from walking the night alone, or going to places alone to actually minimize the risk of being sexually assaulted.

No one is saying that women shouldn't take care. Just as you shouldn't drive you expensive car to the ghetto and leave the keys it, women shouldn't go out alone in dangerous areas. But it's really hard to imagine your ex being angry enough to come to your house and rape you, or for your friend's friend to rape you when you're drunk at a party full of people you know. Should women be paranoid, quiet, chaperoned mice with every man they meet? Because if you get raped, stats say you will know your rapist.

[LastPoet]

Oh shit, a rape thread!

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Please people, its a sensitive subject, keep it civil.

[Fruity]

Mehmet, I was an 18 year old girl walking home from work when I was attacked. So, excuse me for not being careful. My bad. And my work clothes might have been too... Uniformish. I'm sorry. I made them do it, right?

[Ben Davis]

Reality is that some rapists do actually have preferences in their victims.
Most of these look for a women that they think is of a "lesser reputation", meaning, doing or wearing things that represent this.

So rapists might target people they perceive as more vulnerable. And this make it the victim's fault, how?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Reality is that some rapists do actually have preferences in their victims.
Most of these look for a women that they think is of a "lesser reputation", meaning, doing or wearing things that represent this.

So rapists might target people they perceive as more vulnerable. And this make it the victim's fault, how?

Not all, some rapists. Especially those who target people who they don't know personally. Those who do, don't need to skulk around and look for vulnerable victims, they already know when their victims are the most vulnerable.
Though for the type of rapists who are predators by their nature, they seek out victims that are snatched away easily. There is fault, I never claimed that. But irresponsibility, there is of course. We know that the streets are not safe from such individuals. So women must be on their guard, and go out at nights with at least one friend to ward off such attackers.
For being the victim's fault, I don't think that this nor anything else can be used for the defense of the attacker in the court. The crime is determined, and its circumstances are known. So what is there to determine about the fault of the victim?
Like for example, I know some people blame victims for their dress, yes it could be provocative, and I personally do not endorse such ways of clothing oneselves, yet this is not a valid defense for the attacker.
It would be as to suggest that a person who was mugged was at fault for looking "too wealthy".

However as long as good people leave themselves vulnerable to attacks, they are prone to getting attacked. For example, it is never a good thing for a girl to hang out at disreputable places of debauchery and drugs. If she gets raped, although the rapist is the attacker, the has put herself into danger by going into such places where one could expect a drunk or drugged person or even a bunch of drugged or drunk people to sexually assault someone.

So it is to say, that people who wish to avoid the danger of rape, should either travel around with friends, or not visit places where they could expect an attack. It is in their responsibility to take precautions for their safety, and in the case of a crime, it is the responsibility of the state to punish the perpetrators.

[Psykhronic]

Men are more often the victims of violent attacks. I find it "funny" nobody tells them to watch out for sketchy places and have a buddy system.

[NoraBrimstone]

Reality is that some rapists do actually have preferences in their victims.

Yes. Some prefer men, some prefer children, some prefer slutty looking women, some prefer old ladies, some prefer women dressed sportily, some prefer work uniforms. Why is this relevant?

Most of these look for a women that they think is of a "lesser reputation", meaning, doing or wearing things that represent this.

Nope. That's not the majority of rape at all. Sorry.

In the case the victim knows the rapist or otherwise(unmarried and non-related) the way that the girl acts or is known in public is very important.

Why? Why is that at all important?

Such girls are in my opinion, more likely to get raped. You don't really hear too many cases of girls being raped in their homes or next to their friends.

Oh, so you're writing from a position of absolute ignorance on the subject? I should have known....
Well, here's some news for ya. The majority of rape (against women, at least) is committed in their homes by their boyfriend or husband. Same goes for women being physically assaulted and murdered, too. It's usually their partner, in their own home. In fact, it's only a minority of women who are raped by strangers.

So rather than putting blame, I'd say that a girl has to be a responsible person, and should abstain from walking the night alone, or going to places alone to actually minimize the risk of being sexually assaulted.

So when I finish work I need a fucking chaperone? Are you completely insane? If I'm walking home and get attacked, that's NOT my fault in any way shape or form. It's my RIGHT to walk down a public street at any time I fucking choose. If some cunt decides to break the law and attack me in any way, that's 100% their responsibility, not mine. I will not be held responsible for the actions of others. Nope.