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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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(October 7, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you really must go for one the traditional form of Christianity I'd strongly recommend Eastern Orthodoxy which doesn't have all the corruption and a very human Pope who claims to have infallibility.
If you're going to criticize something, at least attempt to know what the fuck you're talking about. The Catholic church only claims infallibility with regard to pronouncements that are made ex cathedra, or from the chair - something that has only occurred a handful of times in the history of the church.
I was worried my irony meter wouldn't take the strain of a CoE twat whingeing about man-made sovereigns twisting and corrupting the original faith, but it appears to have survived intact, though it may need to be retuned
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm
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(October 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm)apophenia Wrote: The Catholic church only claims infallibility with regard to pronouncements that are made ex cathedra, or from the chair
Which is bad enough the Pope is just a man like us at the end of the day and can't pretend to talk for God or make pronouncements on Gods behalf. The prophets were elected by God and the Pope is elected by other humans.
Quote:I was worried my irony meter wouldn't take the strain of a CoE twat whingeing about man-made sovereigns twisting and corrupting the original faith, but it appears to have survived intact, though it may need to be retuned
I'm only CoE by geographic coincidence I would prefer it if there weren't any denominations, sects, cults, monarchs or Popes or anything else like that. It should all just be one united faith in the one God through Christ. All these different infighting factions just serve to weaken the faith as a whole certainly in this day and age when it's up against some hard competition from other religions like Islam and what you could call secular fundamentalism.
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 5:38 pm
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So, she feels that the moral compass she has been looking for lies behind the walls of one of the most corrupt churches in history? Lmao!!!
The hilarity of it aside, I was Catholic but I went through the Sacraments as a kid ..it takes about six months as an adult from start to finish, going through the classes and the conversion process one takes to becoming a Catholic. In other words, if she is willing to go through that, she might be serious about it.
The Catholic Church has some beautiful traditions, but its early clergy wrote the bible, "omitting" certain texts. The bible is a man made construct, as is the Catholic Church.
Religion provides a sense of false comfort though for many. I used to be one of those many. I would rather be an atheist and struggle through life on my own than a Christian clinging to lies and false hope.
(October 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: (October 7, 2013 at 3:43 pm)apophenia Wrote: The Catholic church only claims infallibility with regard to pronouncements that are made ex cathedra, or from the chair
Which is bad enough the Pope is just a man like us at the end of the day and can't pretend to talk for God or make pronouncements on Gods behalf. The prophets were elected by God and the Pope is elected by other humans.
Quote:I was worried my irony meter wouldn't take the strain of a CoE twat whingeing about man-made sovereigns twisting and corrupting the original faith, but it appears to have survived intact, though it may need to be retuned
I'm only CoE by geographic coincidence I would prefer it if there weren't any denominations, sects, cults, monarchs or Popes or anything else like that. It should all just be one united faith in the one God through Christ. All these different infighting factions just serve to weaken the faith as a whole certainly in this day and age when it's up against some hard competition from other religions like Islam and what you could call secular fundamentalism.
The fact that you posted the word "competition," should tell you that religion is a joke. Competition? The almighty God needs mere mortals competing over him?
This is one of the many sad tragedies within religion. It causes hostility and "competition."
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm
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(October 7, 2013 at 5:38 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: The fact that you posted the word "competition," should tell you that religion is a joke. Competition? The almighty God needs mere mortals competing over him?
People have various different ideas regarding God the ultimate nature of reality, atheists included. Here in the Europe the competition is mainly from atheism and possibly Islam though they're not really gaining that many European followers by conversion but through reproduction. So atheism is the major player and certainly an ideology to be reckoned with. A lot of atheists were once far more devout in their faith than I am in mine which is something I'm bearing in mind. But I treat it as a rival religious belief that can reap it's fair harvest of souls. It does have some plus points atheists are rarely ever homophobic for instance, politically they tend to be on the left which I like, it's all about community and care for the less fortunate members of society, and they're right to be skeptical of fake psychics, mediums and con-men.
Quote:This is one of the many sad tragedies within religion. It causes hostility and "competition."
If you look at what religion or the sacred texts actually teach it's quite the opposite. Of course a lot of believers don't really follow through on these teachings and use their religion as an excuse to further their own ends, Jesus himself predicted that would happen. Atheists generally make the best converts for the flock once they come to know the reality of a loving God. Though anyone who has been 100% secularized you may as well try and interest them in fairies than Jesus so they're well beyond reach. Though there aren't that many atheists like that on here from what I can tell.
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 8:37 pm
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(October 7, 2013 at 5:21 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: I'm only CoE by geographic coincidence I would prefer it if there weren't any denominations, sects, cults, monarchs or Popes or anything else like that. It should all just be one united faith in the one God through Christ. All these different infighting factions just serve to weaken the faith as a whole certainly in this day and age when it's up against some hard competition from other religions like Islam and what you could call secular fundamentalism.
The irony of your statement here about sects and divisions and "other religions" contrasting with your beliefs about the "one true god through christ" is rather hilarious.
No, seriously, just think about what you just said. Think quite hard about it. You might actually begin to understand at least one of the most major reasons why so many theists become atheists.
(October 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you look at what religion or the sacred texts actually teach it's quite the opposite. Of course a lot of believers don't really follow through on these teachings and use their religion as an excuse to further their own ends, Jesus himself predicted that would happen. Atheists generally make the best converts for the flock once they come to know the reality of a loving God. Though anyone who has been 100% secularized you may as well try and interest them in fairies than Jesus so they're well beyond reach. Though there aren't that many atheists like that on here from what I can tell.
I like your analogies about fairies and Jesus...
It fits so very nicely.
How many bullet holes does your foot have by now?
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Reminds me of the shill S. E. Cupp. An atheist republican(is that a contradiction in terms?) who defends religion. She is a rather poor actress playing the part to get ahead.
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 8:48 pm
(October 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: they're right to be skeptical of fake psychics, mediums and con-men.
Of course, a special exception must be made for your religion and its assortment of charlatans, because why?
Quote:Though anyone who has been 100% secularized you may as well try and interest them in fairies than Jesus so they're well beyond reach.
May as well, because fairies are just as fictional as Jesus.
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm
He does the work for us, I swear!
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 8, 2013 at 7:11 am
(October 7, 2013 at 6:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Though anyone who has been 100% secularized you may as well try and interest them in fairies than Jesus so they're well beyond reach. Though there aren't that many atheists like that on here from what I can tell.
William Lane Craig Wrote:For a person who is thoroughly secularized, you may as well tell him to believe in fairies or leprechauns as in Jesus Christ! That’s how absurd the message of Christ will seem to him.
Someone's been stealing their lines...
Of course, ol' WLC doesn't seem to understand the irony any more than you do.
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RE: Atheist Becomes Catholic
October 8, 2013 at 7:33 am
Well it's true you may as well be talking about pink invisible unicorns the concept of God being so absurd to them at this point. But this is through the influence of the media and your surrounding culture not because God actually is that absurd. God actually makes a great deal of real rational sense.
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