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The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
Quote:The fact that the universe exists, the laws of nature exists, and the complexity, information, order and functionality of living things exists requires the atheist to come up with some plausible explanation.

I created the Universe.

I am in you, right now.

Disprove.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
(October 2, 2013 at 8:06 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The quote from the Holy Bible was just a lead in to the ensuing discussion.

Proof 1 is only to establish that there must be a Creator, God.

After establishing that God exists, the Holy Bible will be established as His revelation. That part is still to come.

So why not do that first, if you're going to tie your arguments into the book? All these dramatic pronouncements of future wisdom may be impressive to you, but quite frankly I find them tedious in the extreme.

(October 2, 2013 at 8:06 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: On Dawkins' scale, what number are you?

On Professor Dawkins' scale, does it matter? That's not merely a flip question; why do I require categorisation?

(Oh, and cheers, Kaye, for covering my back! Damn mobile makes it so hard to get that stuff right, keep crashing everytime there's a video on the page..!))
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people — House
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
(October 2, 2013 at 7:10 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists...

No it doesn't. At best, the vast complexity of living things 'proves' that living things can be vastly complex. How you infer a creator out of the rest of the gibberish you posted, only the truly dishonest can know.

My lawyers will be in touch to arrange a small-claim suit for the 10 minutes of my life that you've just wasted.
Sum ergo sum
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
(October 2, 2013 at 8:42 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote:
Quote:The fact that the universe exists, the laws of nature exists, and the complexity, information, order and functionality of living things exists requires the atheist to come up with some plausible explanation.

I created the Universe.

I am in you, right now.

Disprove.

Didn't you say you were a Leo on some other thread?
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#16
RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
So having failed to even establish a compelling case for Deism, the OP's author proposes to show how this not-established entity is actually Yahweh, collector of foreskins.

I can't wait . . . .
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
tl;dr the OP but I could tell from the title that it was one big fallacious argument from design.



(October 2, 2013 at 8:06 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Proof 1 is only to establish that there must be a Creator, God.

First of all, how do you know it was God that created the entire universe and not some other magical, powerful being?

And who or what created God?
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
(October 2, 2013 at 8:23 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The fact that the universe exists, the laws of nature exists, and the complexity, information, order and functionality of living things exists requires the atheist to come up with some plausible explanation.

No, it does not require us to do anything at all. Only your infantile requirement for absolute answers to questions requires that.

Quote:You will have to explain how all of the universe and all of the DNA codes, cells, and all the species came into existence.

All attempts have and will always fail.

I will be adding a topic to start that discussion tomorrow.

Our attempts at explaining how the universe works get better all the time.
Humanity is in its cognitive childhood.
Civilization is only a few thousand years old, the Enlightenment a few hundred, and knowledge of evolution only fifteen decades.

We're working on it.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
(October 2, 2013 at 9:39 am)Doubting Thomas Wrote: tl;dr the OP but I could tell from the title that it was one big fallacious argument from design.



(October 2, 2013 at 8:06 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Proof 1 is only to establish that there must be a Creator, God.

First of all, how do you know it was God that created the entire universe and not some other magical, powerful being?

And who or what created God?

Infinite regress is a clusterfuck to all god claims.
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