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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:48 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: To the OP.
Your entire OP is nothing more than a giant argument from ignorance.
"Well, I can't imagine how it could have arisen naturally, so must have been god".
That thinking has never once worked to explain the universe in the past (disease, storms, earthquakes, famine, etc all attributed to a god in the past, now have natural explanations), chances are very slim that it is the answer now.
Complexity is not evidence of design. We recognize design by comparing it to things that occur naturally.
DNA is NOT a code or a language. It is chemistry.
DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 4:52 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 4:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: "Oh my god the stars are pretty", yet these same people who use this as evidence for a imaginary sky daddy would not go up in orbit, take a space walk and take their helmet off.
But we can hope.
Meh, theists do piss me off with their arguments, but since they make up my family and friends and co workers, the only real thing I want them to do is either make an argument and or accept when they are wrong without trying to shut me up.
I only reserve those wishes for violent fucks.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 4:55 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 4:48 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: To the OP.
Your entire OP is nothing more than a giant argument from ignorance.
"Well, I can't imagine how it could have arisen naturally, so must have been god".
That thinking has never once worked to explain the universe in the past (disease, storms, earthquakes, famine, etc all attributed to a god in the past, now have natural explanations), chances are very slim that it is the answer now.
Complexity is not evidence of design. We recognize design by comparing it to things that occur naturally.
DNA is NOT a code or a language. It is chemistry.
DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
Do you understand why talking to you is pointless?
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 4:57 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
That's good enough for me. Let's me grab my bible and start persecuting gays and voting Republican.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 4:58 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes. herp a derp...
A pair of RNA-like molecules can spontaneously assemble into gene-length chains
Self-assembling RNA square.
Self-assembling RNA nanorings based on RNAI/II inverse kissing complexes
Just 3 examples... If you want more, just google for... "self assembling rna".
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
Here's the thing, super genius: it doesn't matter how loudly you assert this, because your inability to see other arguments nor generate responses doesn't make your position true. DNA? Not a code; it's simply chemicals interacting in accordance with the laws of physics.
That we "read" anything in DNA, the "G,C,A,T" lettering system, is down to human beings imposing labels upon the patterns that we see, nothing more. Those letters correspond to chemicals that pair up, basically; there's nothing else to it.
Quote:As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
Yes, that's your fallacious argument from ignorance; even if we couldn't do this- and we can, just take a look at the Miller Yurey experiment, for starters- it wouldn't make your idea true. You need to prove it, not just assert it over and over as though your words mean anything.
Evidence. Do you have any, or are you going to continue to display your ignorance?
Oh, and when are we going to hear about your qualifications in all this?
(October 2, 2013 at 4:58 pm)pocaracas Wrote: herp a derp...
A pair of RNA-like molecules can spontaneously assemble into gene-length chains
Self-assembling RNA square.
Self-assembling RNA nanorings based on RNAI/II inverse kissing complexes
Just 3 examples... If you want more, just google for... "self assembling rna".
Predicted next response: DNA is a code. Since everything is designed, the process that made these things you link to is also designed. This is logical. Atheistic science cannot account for this.
And then we all go and die in a hole. Well, goodnight, everyone. I'm sure there'll be more of this idiocy to deal with tomorrow. 
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 4:51 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 2, 2013 at 4:48 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: To the OP.
Your entire OP is nothing more than a giant argument from ignorance.
"Well, I can't imagine how it could have arisen naturally, so must have been god".
That thinking has never once worked to explain the universe in the past (disease, storms, earthquakes, famine, etc all attributed to a god in the past, now have natural explanations), chances are very slim that it is the answer now.
Complexity is not evidence of design. We recognize design by comparing it to things that occur naturally.
DNA is NOT a code or a language. It is chemistry.
DNA is a code that is used to encode RNA which is used to encode protein sequences.
As such it shows that an intelligent being made it unless you can show it came from random processes.
False dichotomy: chemistry is not random and no one thinks the chemical pathways that led to DNA were random. It was a selective process that took some time and is a bit murky to us today. As for the precise pathway(s) that led to the formation of RNA/DNA, people are working on that. Are you so impatient for an answer that you'll settle for a bad one?
Whatever the answer turns out to be, you can bet your ass it wasn't Yahweh playing mad scientist before turning his attention to the really important things like prohibiting people from eating shellfish or wearing blended fabrics.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Can I just say, I have read this whole thread from start to finish. I actually think I have become dumber as a result. I have face-palmed so much, I can't feel my face anymore.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:12 pm
That's why I wear my special af.org helmet when reading the forums.
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RE: The vast complexity of living things proves that God exists (proof 1)
October 2, 2013 at 5:13 pm
(October 2, 2013 at 5:12 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: That's why I wear my special af.org helmet when reading the forums.
Damn thats a good idea! I need to invest in one of those
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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