Abiogenesis solved?

[Tonus]

The important thing, to me, is that abiogenesis always appeared to be insoluble.

So did flight, at one point in time. I'm not ragging on you; my guess is that most people felt the same way. There were those who felt differently, but with each failure the naysayers felt more and more sure that it couldn't be done. But someone finally did. And fewer than 65 years later, men walked on the moon for the first time. And some four decades after that, we have people accusing us of "having faith in science instead of god."

Not everyone is interested in moving forward, I guess.

[Doubting Thomas]

I have far more faith in science than any god. Science has flown us to the moon, religion has flown us into buildings.

[Kayenneh]

Given enough of the pieces that we do have, we can make an educated guess as to what the picture might be; but just as important we can determine what the missing pieces ought to look like.

Here I want to give kudos to all chemists of old, who did quite accurate predictions about elements they had not yet seen or discovered. That is marvellous!

[Cyberman]

Hear, hear!

[max-greece]

Have to say people I am not quite getting the tone of the responses in terms of my original post.

Am I wrong in saying that proposals for possible abiogenesis should not be considered in your opinions?

This isn't a God proposal. I am not hanging my hat on it. Its just an idea at this stage which, IMHO, shows some promise.

I was going to take the concept on a little further. Now I'm not at all sure that anyone here wants me to do this.

Confused.

[daandaan]

abiogenesis is cracked thanks to the max planck institute that proved the last reaction in the chan of reaction leading up to forming dna.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.10...647.f03t04

1 the process of hcn polymerisation by uv light from the sun in cold environment is called quantum tunneling ..

the process has an enormous amount of little steps producing lots of other compounds (little steps in between of instable compounds that r falling apart in short time into again other compounds that have a short life so its difficult to detect , but all leading up to the end product)


2 the tests have been done in the past years ...but now by means of computational Chemistry is proven how they lead up to the final end product ..purine..

and purine changes easy into a and g by addition reaction of h and n

pirimidine was already explained years ago (c and t)
-pirimidine sythesis in pre biotic :in concentrated urea solution—such have been found in an evaporating lagoon or in pools on drying beaches on the early Earth—cyanoacetaldehyde reacts to form cytosine in yields of 30-50%, from which uracil can be formed by hydrolysis. These reactions provide a plausible route to the pyrimidine bases required in the RNA world---


and from the XNA experiments we know that nucleotide forming compounds (nucleobase) will form by themselves nucleotides....xna has formed by itself a 6 nucleotide structure.....we, dna have only 4.

so its even more complex as we are


3 however in XNA the atp molecule adenine was missing , so oxygen metabolism wasnt possible ...(xna lives and prospers.and evolves like mad but only in the lab under controlled conditions)

in the past 63 yrs. we have reconstructed the entire process leading up to the forming of nucleotide forming compounds ..and finally we have the last reaction in the chain of reactions cracked..

the ATP molecule adenine for metabolism (and guanine) r proven how they form

so abiogenesis is cracked

[max-greece]

Interesting stuff - and timely too.

Thanks

[daandaan]

Interesting stuff - and timely too.

Thanks

the liknk isnt right ...i posted it , but somehoe it is deformed ..

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.10...6/abstract

i hope this works

[Bucky Ball]

If I remember correctly, there was an experiment where they were able to get 2 of the 4 nucleoid acids of DNA/RNA to form on their own. I wished I can remember the documentary that was in. However, I will research and see if I can try to find it and post is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6QYDdgP9eg

[Minimalist]

You have to understand the mentality that you are up against, Max. Eventually you will see one of them say:

TMV forms in solution - therefore god.

Their act never changes.