Abiogenesis is impossible

[RobbyPants]

one thing i have noticed about atheist is that they don't have a sense of humor. we'll just have to work around that.

You're saying your beliefs on abiogenesis are a joke, and we should have laughed at your post? I can do that.

[Esquilax]

one thing i have noticed about atheist is that they don't have a sense of humor. we'll just have to work around that.

What's funny about a sneaky little idiot trying to misrepresent science- and using fallacious logic to do so- in order to lie to us about how things are?

Where's the part where I'm supposed to be laughing, in your dishonest crusade to twist every part of reality to fit your presuppositions?

[snowtracks]

one thing i have noticed about atheist is that they don't have a sense of humor. we'll just have to work around that.

You're saying your beliefs on abiogenesis are a joke, and we should have laughed at your post? I can do that.

i posted this: "starting to look like atheism is fast becoming a philosophical relic." and most everyone goes hyperventilating. really, did that not seem comical?

[Rampant.A.I.]

You're saying your beliefs on abiogenesis are a joke, and we should have laughed at your post? I can do that.

i posted this: "starting to look like atheism is fast becoming a philosophical relic." and most everyone goes hyperventilating. really, did that not seem comical?

The way you said it, or whatever meaning you think what you said conveys?

[orogenicman]

You're saying your beliefs on abiogenesis are a joke, and we should have laughed at your post? I can do that.

i posted this: "starting to look like atheism is fast becoming a philosophical relic." and most everyone goes hyperventilating. really, did that not seem comical?

Even it were true, I fail to see the humour - and I am a funny guy. Perhaps you should rephrase your bullshit statement.

[snowtracks]

dna looks to have both digital and analog information. wasn't too long ago, this board was telling that the cell didn't have an any information component, it was all chemistry.

Holy fucking shit, you really don't understand a single thing you ever talk about, do you?

Okay, pay attention, for the last time: "information" is not some extant thing that exists independent of minds, it is a conceptual label that we place upon things we can reliably predict and "read" after the fact.

That's a really important thing to keep in mind. You theists, you have a habit of taking complex concepts like information, morality and so on, and mistaking them for discrete entities unto themselves, when the truth is that they exist as products of human understanding. I know what you're trying to do, you're trying to say that since "information" ostensibly exists in DNA, then that information must have been created by someone, but that just demonstrates your fundamental misunderstanding of what information is and its relationship to thinking minds: information is read into a thing after the fact based upon its reliable attributes, it isn't something that needs to be instilled into a thing externally before it can be deciphered.

Fucking sand has information, in terms of composition, spatial position, and so on. Everything does. But there's no need for some magic being to wave a wand at it all for that information to exist, just for a mind to be able to observe it. The way you're looking at this is so completely misguided, you're basically saying that when I write a sentence here, the words start out completely meaningless until some external being performs some "information magic" on the words and makes them mean things.

Sounds ridiculous, right? Your first response is that the meaning of words, the information they possess, is bound up inextricably in your mind's ability to understand what they represent based upon what we've agreed that they mean, isn't it?

So why is it suddenly different when we're talking about DNA, beyond the fact that you're desperate to cram your god in everywhere you can?

starting to look like atheism is fast becoming a philosophical relic.

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Wow, look at this, guys: a theist misunderstands a scientific report, and confidently asserts that atheism is doomed. Never seen that before.

Most importantly of all, let's assume you did actually know what you're talking about, Snowy: what on earth makes you think that one paper would cancel out the rest of scientific understanding?

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[Esquilax]

Snowy, seriously, it's a metaphor to make things easier to understand. Information is not a thing that exists beyond our perception of patterns. If you think it's otherwise, please present to us a piece of information as a discrete entity unto itself. Show us how one measures information.

I think you'll find that all of the examples you might bring to bear will involve us using our minds to read meaning into arrangements of patterns. It's the same with DNA: we can "read" the chemical interactions within DNA molecules because they act and react in a set of predictable ways. The "information" in DNA is just the pre-loaded pattern, the code waiting to be interpreted. It's not some thing that exists alongside the chemical reactions.

[Brakeman]

Information is infinite.

We classify information as "useful" or "unuseful" according to our opinions.
The bricks on my house display binary information, also decimal and hexadecimal. It contains an infinite amount of characteristics to make patterns. Some may be useful and significant to mankind, some are not. That is solely at the discretion of the observer.

Reality is not impressed by your puny god..

[Whateverist]

one thing i have noticed about atheist is that they don't have a sense of humor. we'll just have to work around that.

What's funny about a sneaky little idiot trying to misrepresent science- and using fallacious logic to do so- in order to lie to us about how things are?

Where's the part where I'm supposed to be laughing, in your dishonest crusade to twist every part of reality to fit your presuppositions?

I suspect it is a favorite strategy of apologetics:

Assert that reason, logic, science, rationality and every other big-boy discipline is based on unproven assumptions.

Then assert that since religion too is based on faith it must be a big-boy discipline as worthy of everyone's respect as all the others.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Christians are always so concerned with facts and observable evidence: but only when it comes to anything they don't like.