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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 19, 2014 at 2:05 am
(November 18, 2014 at 9:11 pm)dyresand Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 8:32 pm)snowtracks Wrote: scenarios: 1. cell has a complete membrane with nothing in it. 2. all the cell parts with no membrane. Parts as: nucleus, protoplasm (dna material), vacuoles, etc. 3. Fully functional cell - naturalism posit that this happened but is unexplained.
#2 - cell wouldn’t last a nanosecond without a membrane. Maybe the nucleus directed it’s construction faster then that to save the day.
let me prove human evolution with skin color. Climate <- Climate plays a role a very large role on how a persons skin color is going to be back thousands to millions of years ago with ancient man. Darker skin hey you lived in a area with lots of sun and terrible heat. Lighter skin color you live in a area with 4 seasons. moderately or somewhat dark colored you have terrible summers and another or so few seasons.
Tsk, tsk. Everyone knows dark skin is a result of the curse of Ham. Derp.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm
(November 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Chas Wrote: (November 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: [/hide]
atheistic naturalism has a gapping hole in logic which is that human beings have a mind that displays personhood, intentionality, emotions, etc.; but the origin of that is mindless and nonconscious. So the end product reflects back on something that can’t reflect forward.
consciousness to consciousness, consciousness to nonconscious makes sense. nonconscious to consciousness is nonsense. about time you gave the 'mind' it's due. after all, it's order of magnitude capabilities over matter is infinity.
Every conscious person who ever existed went from non-conscious matter to a conscious being in about nine months. And then proceeded to increased consciousness over the ensuing years. man was made in the image of God. The parents weren't dead. again, consciousness to consciousness; your argument is against your own position.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 23, 2014 at 11:34 pm
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(November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: man was made in the image of God. The parents weren't dead. again, consciousness to consciousness; your argument is against your own position.
Did god make a kind of jello mold in his image and then use it to form humans? Why would such an august being be so vain as to require us to look like him. Also, was god also a mammal and related to apes?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 26, 2014 at 11:18 am
(November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: man was made in the image of God.
Prove it.
(November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: The parents weren't dead. again, consciousness to consciousness; your argument is against your own position.
Chas was talking about people that exist today. There is a period of time lasting for weeks between when a fetus is formed and when it has a brain that could hold conscious thought. There has never been a "consciousness to consciousness" transition from parent to child in humans. Ever. If you want to argue that God put direct consciousness in Adam, whatever, but
- It has nothing to do with human procreation currently, and
- Prove it.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 30, 2014 at 3:28 am
(November 16, 2014 at 2:49 am)snowtracks Wrote: ... If the membrane developed through natural processes, evolutionary models must account for its occurrence early the origin of life pathway. This hasn’t been done, forget about ‘perfectly’; in fact not even close. This is not simple to more complex, this is fully complex. There are spherical molecules that can be created in a laboratory under simulated early earth environment that replicate on their own after creation. Apparently, the mechanics of life started before life itself. Now we have a membrane and replication.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 30, 2014 at 11:34 pm
(November 30, 2014 at 3:28 am)IATIA Wrote: (November 16, 2014 at 2:49 am)snowtracks Wrote: ... If the membrane developed through natural processes, evolutionary models must account for its occurrence early the origin of life pathway. This hasn’t been done, forget about ‘perfectly’; in fact not even close. This is not simple to more complex, this is fully complex. There are spherical molecules that can be created in a laboratory under simulated early earth environment that replicate on their own after creation. Apparently, the mechanics of life started before life itself. Now we have a membrane and replication.
a molecule is being equated with a cell membrane; ok, guess we'll have to go with that. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9928/
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
November 30, 2014 at 11:46 pm
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Have any creationists managed to get God to demonstrate that he did zapped any molecule into existence? Much less a molecule that can fulfill a biological function, to say nothing of any complete functioning organism?
No?
Any part of it?
No?
Just to get God to show up and twiddle his holy thumb just to show he actually exists to do anything at all?
No?
Then shut the fuck up. We are making progress. You are still stuck at exactly the same spot as the dumbest of the dumb who believed the most scrupulous arrogant self-serving slick tongued goat fuckers of 800 BC.
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 1, 2014 at 1:11 am
(November 30, 2014 at 11:34 pm)snowtracks Wrote:
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 1, 2014 at 3:53 pm
(November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (November 14, 2014 at 1:01 pm)Chas Wrote: Every conscious person who ever existed went from non-conscious matter to a conscious being in about nine months. And then proceeded to increased consciousness over the ensuing years. man was made in the image of God. The parents weren't dead. again, consciousness to consciousness; your argument is against your own position.
That made no sense whatever. Would you care to try again?
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RE: Abiogenesis is impossible
December 4, 2014 at 11:40 pm
(December 1, 2014 at 3:53 pm)Chas Wrote: (November 23, 2014 at 10:53 pm)snowtracks Wrote: man was made in the image of God. The parents weren't dead. again, consciousness to consciousness; your argument is against your own position.
That made no sense whatever. Would you care to try again? perhaps better to post 'living to living'.
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