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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 5:29 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 4:30 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: It seems to me that part of what makes science science is the willingness to question even so-called "settled" scientific paradigms. That doesn't make them hypocrits in my eyes.
But they fully accept what scientists say. They don't challenge paradigms at all. They keep their religion and their science completely separate on purpose even though they are in a direct conflict. Thats the type of 'religious scientist' i'm talking about
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Well, I think the question of how we all got here is the biggest and most important one ever. I just can't see how they think it is not important
Because Jesus is coming back soon™ and it's more important to tell atheists how much they have wrong before the Rapture happens!
But in all seriousness, I want to know how many times the universe has existed in its current state if the singularity theory is correct. How many times has it expanded and collapsed? Besides that, is there a race existing somewhere that knows the answer? How cool would that be...
But I'm dreaming again. By the time I die I'll be lucky if religion has completed it's exodus.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 7:07 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm)Heir Apparent Wrote: Besides that, is there a race existing somewhere that knows the answer? How cool would that be... I think there's a guy from Gallifrey that might know. (or if you will "Who knows.")
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 7:07 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I think there's a guy from Gallifrey that might know. (or if you will "Who knows.")
Oh, you. Now you decide to get semi-intelligent.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm
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Religion conflicts with science as much as Game of Thrones conflicts with medieval English history.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm
(October 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Religion conflicts with science as much as Game of Thrones conflicts with medieval English history.
However one is significantly better than the other.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 9, 2013 at 11:40 pm
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(October 9, 2013 at 2:02 pm)Rationalman Wrote: Just a little anecdote here. I was in a core biology lecture. The lecturer was quite a funny guy. He was talking about the start of life and evolution and all that and he said that the bible is the most accurate religious text when it comes to how the world started. He listed what god made and the days he made them. Funnily enough he missed out the part where god made plants before he made the sun. I felt like speaking up but there was like 100 people in the lecture and I was shy. He was definitely an atheist because of the way he ripped into creationism though. It was done as a kind of joke.
Anyway, context aside, I assumed everyone in the lecture was not religious but I did see a few girls wearing muslim things, can't remember the name, like a burka but not a burka, doesn't cover the face. Also there is a lecturer that is a biologist but is also a vicar or priest of some sort, he has the collar. He specializes in botany apparently.
It just seems incredible to me that a scientist can believe in god and the bible or in fact any religion. In my eyes, they are huge hypocrites. They have an incredibly high standard of evidence for their science but they don't apply this to their religion. Its like they are actively oppressing the rational and logical voice in their head. It must be a constant internal struggle for them. On the other hand, they may not have thought critically about it at all. I'm sure a lot of people just putt off examining their religion with the same scrutiny as they would a scientific hypothesis.
Science requires proof, God requires faith, what's so hard to understand about this. The two can co-exist with no problems.
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(October 9, 2013 at 5:01 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 3:33 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And that is why there are still so many christians/muslims in the world. Lots of peoples default position is there is a god and they never have cause to evaluate it.
As far as Christians go, it seems like most just follow some generic dogma like "Be good, go to Heaven; be bad, go to Hell; love Jesus and God" and that's about it. They don't really get into what the bible actually says. To them the bible is like a software license agreement. They don't read it, they just click on "I agree." That's why with most of them when you show them something really weird in the bible they're honestly surprised.
You haven't surprised any Christians here.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 10, 2013 at 12:08 am
Godschild Wrote:Science requires proof, God requires faith, what's so hard to understand about this. The two can co-exist with no problems.
Except when your faith claims something about the physical world e.g. young earth/creationism.
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 10, 2013 at 2:28 am
(October 9, 2013 at 11:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Science requires proof, God requires faith, what's so hard to understand about this. The two can co-exist with no problems.
What i'm saying is they can't co-exist with no problems unless they leave their religion by the door at the start of the day and pick it up at the end. To me, that makes them a hypocrite
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Religion conflicting with science
October 10, 2013 at 11:40 pm
(October 10, 2013 at 2:28 am)Rationalman Wrote: (October 9, 2013 at 11:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: Science requires proof, God requires faith, what's so hard to understand about this. The two can co-exist with no problems.
What i'm saying is they can't co-exist with no problems unless they leave their religion by the door at the start of the day and pick it up at the end. To me, that makes them a hypocrite
I know two nuclear engineers who have found it quite compatible. I know another scientist at the OakRidge Laboratories who is very comfortable with his work and faith.
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