Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

LOL, you moron...

I'll let yahoo answers answer this one for you.

[Surgenator]

And you were wrong on that count. A ratio can be expressed multiple ways, including 34/23.7. The reason nobody responded is because they couldn't believe that you were stupid enough to believe otherwise. And you still haven't responded to the main point. Here, I'll repeat it for you.

I was not wrong, the whole point was about how you could take the dimensions of DNA, divide them together and get the golden ratio.
In my case the numbers were 34 and 21 which when divided together comes out as the ratio of 1.61, I made this clear from the beginning, any other "expression" of a ratio isn't relevant.

Further more a ratio can be expressed also as a fraction if you are saying that 34/23.7 is a fraction, explain the decimal point?

otherwise a ":" between the numbers is the proper way of displaying a ratio.

Cue Huggy arguing about the meaning of words.....

I Disagree,

Remember you accusing me of cherry picking?

http://biowiki.ucdavis.edu/Genetics/Unit...orm_of_DNA

Dimensions of B-form (the most common) of DNA

0.34 nm between bp, 3.4 nm per turn, about 10 bp per turn
1.9 nm (about 2.0 nm or 20 Angstroms) in diameter

Surgenators, own link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA

DNA is a long polymer made from repeating units called nucleotides.[3][4][5] DNA was first identified and isolated by Friedrich Miescher and the double helix structure of DNA was first discovered by James Watson and Francis Crick, using experimental data collected by Rosalind Franklin and Maurice Wilkins. The structure of DNA of all species comprises two helical chains each coiled round the same axis, and each with a pitch of 34 ångströms (3.4 nanometres) and a radius of 10 ångströms (1.0 nanometres).

These two sources agree that the width is 20 Å, making my original number of 21 alot closer than your 23.7, which you claim to be the most common.

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I'm sure there are much riper cherries to pick out of his post if you really tried.

I don't know how I can misconstrue the phrase "There is no such thing as fibonacci sequence" as meaning he doesn't believe the fibonacci sequence exists.
I think anyone familiar with the English language would come to the same conclusion.

There is a lot on contradictory data on the web. Here are some sites suggesting the diameter of 19 or 20 A.

http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc...a/dna4.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=Q6Yd-qY...na&f=false

Here are some links that show the B-Form to be wider 23.7 A.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK225...objectonly
http://www.uic.edu/classes/phys/phys461/...0/ANJUM04/

However, I can't find any source that gives me a ratio of 34/21 that isn't from a golden ratio site.

The best source I found looks at a lot of published data. I couldn't figure out exatly what it was saying, but I got the impression that the dimension of DNA varies depending on the sequence you have. Also, the fibre model used works well on a general case, but not for specifics.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6807/9/24

If there is a biologist on the AF, please provide a comment.

[Huggy Bear]

except we've determined that you can't display a decimal point in a fraction, true or false?

What part of 34/23.7=340/237 don't you understand?

In that case it would be displayed as a fraction, 34/23.7 is not a fraction.

If it is, then explain this.

are you trying to say 34/23.7 is a fraction?

No. I'm saying you're thick as a brick and dumb as a fucking fencepost.

[Crossless2.0]

Explain what? You are thick as a brick and dumb as a fucking fencepost. And?

Like I said, is it necessary to explain the meaning of the equals sign? 34/23.7=340/237? They are -- oh, what's the word? -- equivalent!

[Jackalope]

What part of 34/23.7=340/237 don't you understand?

In that case it would be displayed as a fraction, 34/23.7 is not a fraction.

If it is, then explain this.

No. I'm saying you're thick as a brick and dumb as a fucking fencepost.

Why am I not surprised that Huggy is quote mining me?

[Chas]

It is a fraction. All instances of division are expressible as fractions.

except we've determined that you can't display a decimal point in a fraction, true or false?

False. 3.3/6.2 is a fraction.

[Surgenator]

Debating what a fraction is, this is becoming too ridiculous.

[Chas]

Debating what a fraction is, this is becoming too ridiculous.

No, no, no. This is one of those rare teachable moments.

[Anomalocaris]

Debating what a fraction is, this is becoming too ridiculous.

No, no, no. This is one of those rare teachable moments.

He has not been taught yet.

[pocaracas]

sqrt(2) / pi.... would that be a fraction?

As I was taught, way back when... a fraction is when you have one number divided by another:
a/b

A rational number is one that can be expressed by a fraction of integer numbers.

A ratio is usually expressed as a rational fraction.
However, you can have a ratio of two arbitrary numbers.
In my line of business, it is common to represent the radial position within a toroidal vessel, as the ratio R/R0, where R0 is the radial position of the center of the vessel's cross-section. And R0 is .... well, it depends on which vessel you're working... not integer!
Here's a drawing to help understand what I'm talking about: