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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 7, 2014 at 10:39 am
(November 7, 2014 at 3:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: (November 1, 2014 at 1:17 am)psychoslice Wrote: I cannot understand why this thread has gone on for so long, the original question is full of arrogance and ignorance, how do you answer a question like that without also being ignorant ?. just get down on your knees and ask for forgiveness, then you will know.
That line isn't likely to work anymore since the scandal within the Catholic church.
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November 7, 2014 at 10:50 am
It's also irrelevant to the topic of the origins of the Universe.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 7, 2014 at 11:28 am
(November 7, 2014 at 3:17 am)snowtracks Wrote: (November 1, 2014 at 1:17 am)psychoslice Wrote: I cannot understand why this thread has gone on for so long, the original question is full of arrogance and ignorance, how do you answer a question like that without also being ignorant ?. just get down on your knees and ask for forgiveness, then you will know.
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November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm
something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
"Science" uses every solution to rule out "smarts" or "universe making a choice". The theists could use this knowledge. But then again, "science" doesn't do a thing does it? The easiest thing to rule out is "nothing" doing it. I think. 
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November 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm
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November 8, 2014 at 8:51 am
(November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)comet Wrote: something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
"Science" uses every solution to rule out "smarts" or "universe making a choice". The theists could use this knowledge. But then again, "science" doesn't do a thing does it? The easiest thing to rule out is "nothing" doing it. I think.
Something started what? That means absolutely nothing to me. Stuff was here yesterday and the day before and on back as far as we know. Before there was stuff there was a big bang. Before that we just don't know but I personally can't imagine there isn't another mega scale of things from which singularities are common place. On some level of description, universes probably reside one packed cheek to jowl with its neighbors on all sides. From within any one universe you'll never be able to detect the others for a number of good reasons.
Want to ask what started the multiple universes popping in and out of existence? Why bother, we are in no position to answer the question. Likewise with the question of origins. It is beyond our ken. From the fact that origins are beyond our comprehension, no assumptions follow.
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November 8, 2014 at 10:32 am
(November 8, 2014 at 8:51 am)whateverist Wrote: (November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)comet Wrote: something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
"Science" uses every solution to rule out "smarts" or "universe making a choice". The theists could use this knowledge. But then again, "science" doesn't do a thing does it? The easiest thing to rule out is "nothing" doing it. I think.
Something started what? That means absolutely nothing to me. Stuff was here yesterday and the day before and on back as far as we know. Before there was stuff there was a big bang. Before that we just don't know but I personally can't imagine there isn't another mega scale of things from which singularities are common place. On some level of description, universes probably reside one packed cheek to jowl with its neighbors on all sides. From within any one universe you'll never be able to detect the others for a number of good reasons.
Want to ask what started the multiple universes popping in and out of existence? Why bother, we are in no position to answer the question. Likewise with the question of origins. It is beyond our ken. From the fact that origins are beyond our comprehension, no assumptions follow.
Things that are currently beyond our ken won't necessarily always be. If scientific inquiry has shown us anything, it has shown us that.
As physicists continue to find out more about the nature of reality, they may develop the tools and knowledge to answer some or all of those questions.
Theologians? Not so much.
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November 8, 2014 at 11:03 am
(November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)comet Wrote: something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
"Science" uses every solution to rule out "smarts" or "universe making a choice". The theists could use this knowledge. But then again, "science" doesn't do a thing does it? The easiest thing to rule out is "nothing" doing it. I think.
Uh, no. It is incredibly difficult to rule out that when the cause is pursued to the end, "nothing" did it.
The answer "God" did it, if parsed rigorously, is the same as "nothing" did it. Theists implicitly accepts that nothing did it. They just assert one extraordinarily contrived, elaborate, totally unsupported, and anthropomorphic stages from infinite number of equally worthless possibilities between nothing and something. Science tend not to be more elaborate than needed. Nothing is needed between nothing and something, so science has no need for God or any reduced version of god.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 8, 2014 at 11:20 am
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ill explain it.
magic magic magic magic light magic magic okay cool its prefect.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
November 8, 2014 at 1:09 pm
(November 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm)comet Wrote: something started it. Unless you are in the nothing camp.
No, you cannot make that statement safely. The simplest observation that can be made is that it started (and even then it might not be accurate). With no other data to hand, there's no way to get from that observation to postulating an external cause.
(November 8, 2014 at 11:20 am)dyresand Wrote: ill explain it.
magic magic magic magic light magic magic okay cool its prefect.
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