Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[robvalue]

Bashing science =/= evidence for made up stories

Just thought I'd remind everyone.

[dyresand]

Bashing science =/= evidence for made up stories

Just thought I'd remind everyone.

i love science over make believe stories.

[Tonus]

It's not as if there's a dearth of discussion regarding the Cambrian Explosion, or the challenges it supposedly presents to evolution, or explanations of why that's not the case. I do find it interesting that the guy who hides behind "you can't prove it didn't" suddenly doesn't accept "we're still learning about it." Perhaps he's hoping that they'll stop before science upends another of his sacred apple carts.

[robvalue]

People need to learn some stuff. And not from christian apologists who couldn't teach a fish to swim.

With the internet, there really is no more excuses for ignorance.

[dyresand]

People need to learn some stuff. And not from christian apologists who couldn't teach a fish to swim.

With the internet, there really is no more excuses for ignorance.

The core of it all of the ignorance is the irrational fear in hell.

[Chas]

Oxygen level - This is one of 3 main factors to explain why the Cambrian event (& Avalon which brought about the ediacara [sponges & jellyfish] ) couldn’t have occurred earlier. Only through billion of years of photosynthetic activity could the earth’s atmosphere and oceans build up sufficient oxygen to support life which transpired in day 4 (biblical Hebrew contains only about 3000 words, consequently, most nouns possess multiple ‘literal definitions’. ‘Day’ has 4 one of which is ‘a long but finite time period’.)

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Day 5 - Sea animals & specialized land animals. Explosive speciation. For the first approx. 85% of life’s history on earth, there were no creatures we would refer to as animals. Then suddenly swarms of diverse sea animals emerged with for the first time sporting appendeges, limbs, skeltons, specialized organs, none related to the ediacaras. This sudden appearance is acknowledge as a challenge to the macro-evolutionary model.

You do know that "suddenly" in that context is 10,000,000 years. It is sudden on an evolutionary scale, not a human scale.

Ref: Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, http://terebess.hu/keletkultinfo/The_Bli...hmaker.pdf - "For example the Cambrian strata of rocks, vintage about 600 million years, are the oldest ones in which we find most of the major invertebrate groups. And we find many of them already in an advanced state of evolution, the very first time they appear. It is as though they were just planted there, without any evolutionary history".

And you not only dishonestly took that out of context, you stupidly did so when he has said you would.

[snowtracks]

The snowball event before Cambrian would have been deleterious to the evolutionary modeling.

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Tut tut. Modeling? I'm aware of no modeling going on. Aren't we all just a little curious about what came before? We are theorizing. Obviously, barring a Twilight Zone worthy alternative, we have to assume a natural origin.

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Even if you want to shoe horn in a place for a creator god, wouldn't His constant fiddling indicate a level of incompetence incompatible with His alleged omni powers? If He really were all that, shouldn't He have been able to fire off a big bang which would have netted life on earth leading to life as we know it - without any further meddling? What reason have you to think otherwise short of resorting to that opening book of the OT?

There are multi-purposes for God creating the universe; these purposes are being accomplished using natural law over a limited time frame. Occasionally, He employs natural law and natural phenomena in an extraordinary way to bring about His will…for instance the Red Sea crossing. http://ed5015.tripod.com/BRedSeaCrossing.htm, and even less occasionally, He operates supernaturally which is outside of natural law by overriding the laws of physics, such as gravity and the laws of thermodynamics. Examples: the historical Christianity belief in creation ex nihilo, and Christ walking on water. Why does God ‘fiddle’ around and not use supernatural miracles exclusively, one reason is undoubtedly it may imply that nature is God’s adversary; He created the forces of nature to serve His purposes. It's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, and especially human life.

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Darwin had hoped later fossil discoveries would eventually eliminate what he regarded as the one outstanding anomaly associated with theory. Ref: Origin of Species, page 307 (I have it on E-book as that). The anomaly he was referring to was the Cambrian Period - (ref. Burgess Shale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgess_Shale) - wherein appeared in the fossil records was ’disparity’ (major differences in form, phyla level) without prior ’diversity’ (minor diff. among organisms, species level ).
The future fossil evidence he had hope was never realized. Been 150 years old man, time to call it a day.

Except that we have plenty of explanation of the Cambrian period, both in fossils, and in other areas. They're here, though I doubt you'll even bother to click the link. For example, oxygen levels- which have a positive correlation with diversity in Eukaryotic life- rose just prior to, and during the Cambrian period, due to reaching a saturation point that allowed it to exist as a gas. Additionally, sufficient ozone to protect against incoming UV light formed around that time too; you don't think that those two factors, both of which are correlated with increased diversity among biological organisms, might have contributed toward the increased diversity among biological organisms in the Cambrian period?

Just pretending there's no explanation for this is lying, Snowy. Not that this is a surprise from you, at this point; unthinking scrabbling to defend the indefensible via arguments from ignorance is your stock in trade.

Oh, like I didn't know there are opposing viewpoints.

[dyresand]

There are multi-purposes for God creating the universe; these purposes are being accomplished using natural law over a limited time frame. Occasionally, He employs natural law and natural phenomena in an extraordinary way to bring about His will…for instance the Red Sea crossing. http://ed5015.tripod.com/BRedSeaCrossing.htm, and even less occasionally, He operates supernaturally which is outside of natural law by overriding the laws of physics, such as gravity and the laws of thermodynamics. Examples: the historical Christianity belief in creation ex nihilo, and Christ walking on water. Why does God ‘fiddle’ around and not use supernatural miracles exclusively, one reason is undoubtedly it may imply that nature is God’s adversary; He created the forces of nature to serve His purposes. It's a fallacy that God's sole purpose in creating the universe is to provide a perfectly comfortable environment for life, and especially human life.

in other words no god and or deity is not needed.

[robvalue]

How come you know so much about God, his properties, reasons and intentions? All theists seem to be able to talk through the science-proof barrier they hide God behind, and know just what he's thinking and why he had to condone slavery in "that culture".

Could it be people are talking to themselves?

[Tonus]

Oh, like I didn't know there are opposing viewpoints.

Pro tip: some of them are much more valid than others.