Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.

[Crossless2.0]

asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, and all i get is a krauss video (which i have all ready viewed) and page after page of whining and excuses. fast drawing the conclusion that my post are being received by thick headed neanderthals that exist to take potshots at a model that's in place and makes sense from the get go. if you find God distasteful, tell what you are willing to swallow. how can you not be embarrassed by the responses posted? a simple request goes out, and the landscape gets littered with trash. oh and by the way, krauss does not rule out a deistic view of nature; i have his U. nothing book right in front of me. funny, guy comes out with book that tells you about 'nothing' and you jump, before you jumped did you ask 'how high'?

Well, my response -- if my thick-headed Neanderthal prose didn't get in the way of clear communication -- was that asserting the existence of a creator god without evidence is tantamount to admitting you simply don't know, without being honest enough to just say so.

I can't answer your "simple request" because I'm too honest to pretend I have an answer. And I don't find your simple-minded "answer" to the question persuasive. So where does that leave us? One is an open-minded agnostic on the question of origins, and the other is some twit who thinks making unsupported claims is an argument.

[Brakeman]

asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, and all i get is a krauss video (which i have all ready viewed) and page after page of whining and excuses...

Well sherlock, if you wanted that answer you should have asked me.
Time is a function of space and mass. Without space and mass there is no time. modern astrophysics can adequately extrapolate back to a point with no mass and no space, and therefore no time. That means that the singularity was timeless.

Thus, there was no time for god to exist before the existence of space and energy. Thus a creator god is an improbable and unnecessary construct.

So what was your magic sky daddy doing before creation? What was he doing without any space or time to do anything in?
Had he previously screwed up other universe creations before? how did he know how to make a creation, did he attend creation school?
Why would he want to have existed out all alone by himself in a complete void? How old was god before time?
Is that what made him go crazy?

[TaraJo]

asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, and all i get is a krauss video (which i have all ready viewed) and page after page of whining and excuses. fast drawing the conclusion that my post are being received by thick headed neanderthals that exist to take potshots at a model that's in place and makes sense from the get go. if you find God distasteful, tell what you are willing to swallow. how can you not be embarrassed by the responses posted? a simple request goes out, and the landscape gets littered with trash. oh and by the way, krauss does not rule out a deistic view of nature; i have his U. nothing book right in front of me. funny, guy comes out with book that tells you about 'nothing' and you jump, before you jumped did you ask 'how high'?

I'll make you a deal: you provide proof of your creation story and I'll provide whatever explanation you want. Deal?

[Esquilax]

asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, and all i get is a krauss video (which i have all ready viewed) and page after page of whining and excuses. fast drawing the conclusion that my post are being received by thick headed neanderthals that exist to take potshots at a model that's in place and makes sense from the get go. if you find God distasteful, tell what you are willing to swallow. how can you not be embarrassed by the responses posted? a simple request goes out, and the landscape gets littered with trash. oh and by the way, krauss does not rule out a deistic view of nature; i have his U. nothing book right in front of me. funny, guy comes out with book that tells you about 'nothing' and you jump, before you jumped did you ask 'how high'?

Scoffing and mocking isn't a refutation, snowy. Generally, it's the last desperate recourse of someone without any way to refute what's being said.

No wonder it's all you have left.

[Bad Wolf]

The genius of the christian god is that whatever explanation science can come up with....god could do that. The Big Bang: god could do that. Evolution: god could do that. I doubt any answer we give you would satisfy you snowy.

[snowtracks]

asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, and all i get is a krauss video (which i have all ready viewed) and page after page of whining and excuses...

Well sherlock, if you wanted that answer you should have asked me.
Time is a function of space and mass. Without space and mass there is no time. modern astrophysics can adequately extrapolate back to a point with no mass and no space, and therefore no time. That means that the singularity was timeless.

Thus, there was no time for god to exist before the existence of space and energy. Thus a creator god is an improbable and unnecessary construct.

So what was your magic sky daddy doing before creation? What was he doing without any space or time to do anything in?
Had he previously screwed up other universe creations before? how did he know how to make a creation, did he attend creation school?
Why would he want to have existed out all alone by himself in a complete void? How old was god before time?
Is that what made him go crazy?

not bad, however it's only critiques the God creation hypothesis. pertaining to sherlock - detectives use a way of thinking called abductive reasoning which is similar to inductive reasoning but yields only probable truth, and unlike deductive reasoning provides something less than total certainty in its conclusion. so detectives go from evidence to theory. others: physicians go from symptoms to diagnosis; scientists go from data to hypothesis. so what abductive reasoning does it seeks to provide the most plausible broad, explanatory hypothesis. so based the data, theism best explains The U: its source and singular beginning, order, regularity, and fine-tuning.
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The causal agent is not beholden to time.

[Esquilax]

so based the data, theism best explains The U: its source and singular beginning, order, regularity, and fine-tuning.

Okay, stop it. Magic explains everything while explaining nothing, because explanations are "how?" questions, not "what?" questions. You're just resorting to a panacea explanation; sure, "this thing what can do everything," explains things, but that doesn't mean it's the correct explanation, nor does it actually have any explanatory power. If I ask you how rain happens, and you say "this thing what can do everything does it," you're right, that's an explanation that works. But it's not the correct explanation, nor does it give me any understanding of the mechanism itself.

Besides, you keep going on about abductive reasoning: what data do you have that actually points to a creator? Just asserting fine tuning doesn't make it so, and assertions are all you've ever produced. I mean, fuck: you're just running on assertions here, and believe me buddy, if all you keep doing is repeating yourself like this, it won't be long before you find yourself reported.

[Minimalist]

if you find God distasteful,

I find the concept of god absurd.

I find his followers to be total fucking assholes.

[Whateverist]

Personally I'm not old enough to have seen how the universe came about. Try asking God the next time you pray. Hope that helps. [/sarcasm]

[Brakeman]

Thus a creator god is an improbable and unnecessary construct.

So what was your magic sky daddy doing before creation? What was he doing without any space or time to do anything in?
Had he previously screwed up other universe creations before? how did he know how to make a creation, did he attend creation school?
Why would he want to have existed out all alone by himself in a complete void? How old was god before time?
Is that what made him go crazy?

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The causal agent is not beholden to time.

"causal agent" WOOOooooo! that sounds sooo scientific! But for you it means "MAGIC WoooHoo Man!"

So tell me how the "MAGIC WoooHoo Man" doesn't follow any laws of physics or exist in a physical realm yet manages to affect this world in a manner that has never been observed? Feel free to use lots of scientific sounding words..

Tell me how the "MAGIC WoooHoo Man" managed to stop the universe to a standstill, with no ill effect, just so some bronze age nomads could win a primitive battle. Give us some vectors and big numbers with odd units to wow us.

Tell me how the WoooHoo Magic made a tree fruit contain special knowledge. I'm curious how eating a fruit can educate someone in such a manner. Can you explain that with big dictionary words too??