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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 23, 2013 at 6:04 am
Here's the short version of this whole thread, for people who may have just tuned in:
Creationist du jour: My magic god made the Universe because it lives in its own magic kingdom, so it's not affected by any of the laws that govern everything else.
Everyone else: Baseless assertions without even a pretence at evidence. In fact, all the evidence from observations etc show that the known physical processes are at least sufficient to have caused the Universe into being. No need to leap to a magic wizard.
Creationist: Where? Show me!
And the short, short version:
Creationist is free to ad as much hoc as he likes, with no obligation to provide any support whatsoever. Everyone else has to bring a note from home.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 23, 2013 at 8:12 am
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Quote:Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
It does so, it has lots of them.
At least one for every universe there is.
It was extracted from the ear of a clothes peg like creature by a disgruntled meter reader.
It spontaneously came into being amongst the gook that gathered down the back of the sacred sofa.
A border collie spewed it up after eating some physics homework that disagreed with her, just to illustrate the flaw in the question.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 23, 2013 at 9:23 am
(December 22, 2013 at 9:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, That's the problem-- we can't come up with something absurd enough to compare.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 25, 2013 at 8:08 pm
(December 23, 2013 at 9:23 am)Tonus Wrote: (December 22, 2013 at 9:24 pm)snowtracks Wrote: asked for an atheistic explanation to compare with creation, That's the problem-- we can't come up with something absurd enough to compare.
nothing but a cope-out.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 25, 2013 at 8:35 pm
(December 25, 2013 at 8:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (December 23, 2013 at 9:23 am)Tonus Wrote: That's the problem-- we can't come up with something absurd enough to compare.
nothing but a cope-out.
That claim is in your court - you claim creation is real - PROVE that you can eat from ALL SEED bearing plants as said in the bible - by eating a large serving of Oleander.
IF you choose not to it will be because you know the bible story is Absurd
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm
(December 25, 2013 at 8:35 pm)ThomM Wrote: (December 25, 2013 at 8:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: nothing but a cope-out.
That claim is in your court - you claim creation is real - PROVE that you can eat from ALL SEED bearing plants as said in the bible - by eating a large serving of Oleander.
IF you choose not to it will be because you know the bible story is Absurd okay, we got a non-sequitur going here. pretty obvious the atheists are afraid that if they try to say something intelligent, i'll counter with a cogent point or completely shred it.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm
(December 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm)snowtracks Wrote: okay, we got a non-sequitur going here. pretty obvious the atheists are afraid that if they try to say something intelligent, i'll counter with a cogent point or completely shred it.
Only if your idea of a cogent point is a fiat assertion made without evidence. 
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 26, 2013 at 12:46 am
(December 25, 2013 at 11:38 pm)snowtracks Wrote: okay, we got a non-sequitur going here. pretty obvious the atheists are afraid that if they try to say something intelligent, i'll counter with a cogent point or completely shred it.
Yeah, because you have a real history of doing that.
Everyone couldn't possibly be staying silent because they realize talking to you is as engaging as talking to an inaminate object.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 26, 2013 at 6:53 am
(December 25, 2013 at 8:08 pm)snowtracks Wrote: nothing but a cope-out. It's become clear that you gave up the fight some time ago. I suspect that, like SavedbyGrace and savedwheat, you're just going through the motions in the hopes of finally being banned so that you can avoid the apparent disgrace of leaving with your faith tucked between your legs. Good luck with that.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
December 26, 2013 at 8:10 am
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(October 10, 2013 at 10:37 am)Tonus Wrote: Where did god come from? Theistic origin science has no answer.
And exactly what were the mechanics involved in the Holy Spirit impregnating that unsuspecting virgin? Was there an orgasm (on the part of either party)? Was there penetration of some sort?
Inquiring minds want to know and theistic origin science has no answer.
(October 10, 2013 at 11:03 am)Kayenneh Wrote: (October 10, 2013 at 10:51 am)Darwinian Wrote: What is Atheistic origin science? Never heard of it before.
Beats any of us, besides Gracie.
Maybe that's what's she's studied! AOS at PooPoo Academy for delusioned cretards! \o/
I understood it to be in contrast to Intelligent Design Science, which i relaize is not really science at all.
Don't know why, but my first reaction to the title of this thread was, "Where have all the flowers gone?" Maybe it's becaue of the circular nature of both arguments.
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