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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 12:55 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If you do not know the cause then you have not answered the origin question at all.
If there was something else, what was it, and where did that come from?
If there was nothing then it violates cause and effect.
You seem to operate under the delusion that if we don't have an answer, that means yours is correct. I'd say your guess is as good as ours, but that's obviously not the case.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 11:33 am)Chas Wrote: We don't yet know the cause, so your first statement is premature.
Since the total mass-energy of the universe is zero, there is no violation.
If you do not know the cause then you have not answered the origin question at all.
If there was something else, what was it, and where did that come from?
If there was nothing then it violates cause and effect.
I am sorry that your childish mind can't abide "we don't know" as an answer.
We don't know yet. We're working on it.
Pro tip: You don't know, either.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 12:38 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: If you do not know the cause then you have not answered the origin question at all.
If there was something else, what was it, and where did that come from?
If there was nothing then it violates cause and effect.
I am sorry that your childish mind can't abide "we don't know" as an answer.
We don't know yet. We're working on it.
Pro tip: You don't know, either.
You said "we do not know,." That means you have admitted that you do not know. We agree then that you do not know. I disagree with you about me. I do know.
But how can you who said he does not know, know whether I know or not. You cannot know because you already said you do not know.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 1:11 pm
For the same reason that even though I can't explain how quantum mechanics meshes with relativity, I know the answer isn't cheese.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Chas Wrote: I am sorry that your childish mind can't abide "we don't know" as an answer.
We don't know yet. We're working on it.
Pro tip: You don't know, either.
You said "we do not know,." That means you have admitted that you do not know. We agree then that you do not know. I disagree with you about me. I do know.
But how can you who said he does not know, know whether I know or not. You cannot know because you already said you do not know.
You "know." Yeah, I think I'll wait for that evidence we keep asking for. What's the problem Grace -- intellectual constipation? Can't quite push out that startling Nobel-worthy proof for your claims that would doubtless convert everyone on this site if it was as compelling as you say it is?
Or are you just full of shit as usual?
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 3:57 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I do know.
You do not. You believe, but you don't know.
Christian apologetics is the art of rolling a dog turd in sugar and selling it as a donut.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 4:03 pm
There doesn't have to be a cause if causality (cause and effect) breakdown at the origin. Yes, there may not be a cause to the universe *gasp*
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 4:14 pm
(October 11, 2013 at 4:03 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: There doesn't have to be a cause if causality (cause and effect) breakdown at the origin. Yes, there may not be a cause to the universe *gasp*
Our understanding of causality may not even be coherent in the absence of spacetime. The OP claims constraints that may not even exist.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 4:19 pm
(This post was last modified: October 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Chas Wrote: I am sorry that your childish mind can't abide "we don't know" as an answer.
We don't know yet. We're working on it.
Pro tip: You don't know, either.
You said "we do not know,." That means you have admitted that you do not know. We agree then that you do not know. I disagree with you about me. I do know.
But how can you who said he does not know, know whether I know or not. You cannot know because you already said you do not know.
Because, moron, knowing is not a mere assertion. it must be arrived at following a process thousands of years more advanced than that which shat out your bible, and at the conclusion of which it must demonstrably meet rigorous standards far beyond the wildest imagination of mere christians like you.
So, we do not need to know it in order to know that you do not know it. Just as one does not need to quite know how to solve particular problem in calculus in order to know some moron who demonstrated total ignorance of algebra certainly would not know how to solve that same problem.
If you still can't follow that, then take that handicap of yours as proof that you are not qualified to opine, and exhibit your "christain" humility, shut up and go away.
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RE: Where did the universe come from? Atheistic origin science has no answer.
October 11, 2013 at 6:19 pm
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(October 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: (October 11, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Chas Wrote: I am sorry that your childish mind can't abide "we don't know" as an answer.
We don't know yet. We're working on it.
Pro tip: You don't know, either.
You said "we do not know,." That means you have admitted that you do not know. We agree then that you do not know. I disagree with you about me. I do know.
But how can you who said he does not know, know whether I know or not. You cannot know because you already said you do not know.
We have some evidence that is consistent with several hypotheses and theories.
You have no evidence.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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