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October 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm
According to Huggy, you can't recreate ratio's if you add units to your numbers. Becuase then they become dimensions. If I measure the circumference of a circle divide by the its diameter, I can get the ratio that equals pi. But if I measure the circumference and the diameter in inches, no that doesn't count. Those are now dimensions.
And also, that ratio's have to be rational. Too bad for him, he can't get his prized golden ratio from because the golden ratio is irrational.
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October 4, 2014 at 2:24 pm
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Is "unelievable fucking willful stupidity" a bannable offense?
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October 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm
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(October 4, 2014 at 2:02 pm)Jenny A Wrote: There are some truly exciting and great things about the Fibonacci sequence, but the nautilus shell isn't one of them. Nor is the sunflower except under the most optimal growing conditions though it's certainly the plan. Nor are all flower petals. Nor are our aesthetics really based on the golden rectangle.
http://nautil.us/issue/0/the-story-of-na...th-as-myth
http://www.intmath.com/blog/is-phi-a-fib...d=noscript
http://dropbox.bachnetwork.co.uk/ub1/tatlow.pdf
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4325
https://philosophynow.org/issues/54/Bad_...Fibophiles
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread844170/pg1
The point is not that the sequence doesn't exist in nature, just that it's not nearly so prevalent or central as gee-whiz science programs suggest. And in the real world it tends to be rather imperfect at best. The very fact that the most common example given is the nautilus which doesn't actual fit, should give you pause.
The point is I've been accursed of cherry picking, even though none of my sources have any vested interest in pushing the fibonacci sequence, if my source was a creationist website for an example, there would be a clear bias, so i'm looking for sources with no clear agenda.
Your latest links
Math as Myth
http://nautil.us/issue/0/the-story-of-na...th-as-myth
Is Phi a Fibonacci furphy?
http://www.intmath.com/blog/is-phi-a-fib...d=noscript
Skeptoid
http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4325
My source was an actual mathematician..
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October 4, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(October 4, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 4, 2014 at 10:14 am)Chas Wrote: The idiocy is all yours. All spirals are curves.
we don't refer to circles as "curves" we call them circles
same with spirals.
I'm glad this thread exists as proof atheists are nuts.
You have a simplistic and incorrect understanding of the maths you are trying to use. Read a maths book.
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October 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm
(October 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm)Surgenator Wrote: According to Huggy, you can't recreate ratio's if you add units to your numbers. Becuase then they become dimensions. If I measure the circumference of a circle divide by the its diameter, I can get the ratio that equals pi. But if I measure the circumference and the diameter in inches, no that doesn't count. Those are now dimensions.
And also, that ratio's have to be rational. Too bad for him, he can't get his prized golden ratio from because the golden ratio is irrational. Ok Muppet,
The thing is, you haven't done any division of numbers, you just posted two numbers (34/23.7) and called it a ratio. When i asked you what numbers you divided to get this quotient, you never gave me an answer, because you couldn't.
Also the unit of measurement used has no bearing on the ratio. Take the earth for example.
Circumference 24,901 miles / Diameter 7,918 miles divided by each other = 3.14
Circumference 40,075 km / Diameter 12,742 km divided by each other = 3.14
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October 4, 2014 at 3:00 pm
(October 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: The thing is, you haven't done any division of numbers, you just posted two numbers (34/23.7) and called it a ratio. When i asked you what numbers you divided to get this quotient, you never gave me an answer, because you couldn't.
Oh, but I did give you the answer. You even quoted my post with the answer you were looking for.
(October 3, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Surgenator Wrote: The distance between repeating twist in DNA is 34 A. You also claimed 34 A. We agree on that. The diameter of DNA is 23.7 A. You claim it was 21 A. We disagree here. With your numbers, you get the ratio 34 A vs 21 A. So you claim the fibonacci sequence is in DNA. The actual ratio is 34 A vs 23.7 A. This is not the follow fibonacci sequence. Therefore, your claim is wrong!
I underlined it so that you know where to read, blockhead. It seems you're having difficulty in that department as well.
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October 4, 2014 at 3:04 pm
(October 4, 2014 at 2:47 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (October 4, 2014 at 2:23 pm)Surgenator Wrote: According to Huggy, you can't recreate ratio's if you add units to your numbers. Becuase then they become dimensions. If I measure the circumference of a circle divide by the its diameter, I can get the ratio that equals pi. But if I measure the circumference and the diameter in inches, no that doesn't count. Those are now dimensions.
And also, that ratio's have to be rational. Too bad for him, he can't get his prized golden ratio from because the golden ratio is irrational. Ok Muppet,
The thing is, you haven't done any division of numbers, you just posted two numbers (34/23.7) and called it a ratio. When i asked you what numbers you divided to get this quotient, you never gave me an answer, because you couldn't.
Also the unit of measurement used has no bearing on the ratio. Take the earth for example.
Circumference 24,901 miles / Diameter 7,918 miles divided by each other = 3.14
Circumference 40,075 km / Diameter 12,742 km divided by each other = 3.14
"34/23.7" is a ratio.
Definition of Ratio: A ratio is a comparison of two numbers by division.
Examples of Ratio:
4 : 7, 1 : 6, 10 : 3 etc. are examples of ratio.
Any ratio a : b can also be written as ‘a to b’ or a/b .
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October 4, 2014 at 3:12 pm
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(October 4, 2014 at 2:32 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: My source was an actual mathematician..
I didn't spot a single untruth by your source. He just doesn't say what you want him to. He notes sunflowers and either pineapples or pine cones, I forget which follow the Fibonacci pattern, and that typically the number of petals on a flower are Fibonacci numbers. And it is true as he stated that the sequence has fascinated some artists and philosophers. What he doesn't do is suggest they are the key to the universe or are everywhere in nature.
But he won't back you up on the nautilus, and his picture of the woman eating an apple is just plan silly. Frankly, the sequence is fascinating, but its application to the real world has been greatly exaggerated.
Your source's interest is all most entirely abstract not real world application.
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October 4, 2014 at 3:23 pm
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(October 4, 2014 at 2:17 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: it appears you don't have any brain cells to lose..
Well, seeing that you're confusing 'observation' with 'eyewitness', it appears your own brain cells are on the critical list.
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October 4, 2014 at 3:24 pm
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Can you obtain a rational number from the sum of 2 irracional numbers? (in R)? Provide the proof of your claim.
If Huggy can't answer that, he knows not enough maths to even discuss this.
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