Iran, more arrests of gays and lesbians.

[Brakeman]

OK, just so I understand you, do you think that a 14 year old boy who realizes that he fantasizes about boys and not girls, should hate himself because the other kids on the block are different than him?

Should that boy suppress his life so that others will not see that he is gay?

Is wanting that boy to live the best life he can in fair cooperation with heterosexuals a liberal agenda or a "cosmopolitan" campaign that is unfair to heteros?

I'm as hetero as they come but can still put my feet in their shoes.
Rights campaigns are ugly and uncomfortable, but until the rights are fully accepted, they are necessary.

[Brian37]

I am attacking here a certain flawed mindset called liberal cosmopolitanism, I am attacking a mindset that is anti-social and feels entitled to things that they have no rights to.

Now I get it, we should never label ourselves, sorry uber way left of left into the same delusional utopia "if only" theism suffers from.

Sorry but even outside our species inequality exists. There are alpha males and subordinates. You stupidly think by stripping that alpha male of it's title and the subordinate of it's title then things will magically be ok.

This is stupid, if no one is entitled to any rights, majority or minority, all you are arguing is might makes right. You do realize if you got plucked out of your space and plopped in some other part of the world you'd be that "minority" and I am damned sure in the context of zealous majority you wouldn't argue "oh well, fuck they don't owe me shit".

The other part of evolution while recognizing inequality is part of nature, does not mean our compassionate side which is also part of evolution, cannot work to level the playing field more.

I see no problem using majority or minority just like in reality there are alpha males and subordinates. If we are going to talk about not having rights to anything why should you have rights? "Get your own fucking state" seems to me like a sense of self serving narcissism and lack of empathy. You are not arguing anything but "it is right when I get what I want".

No one is entitled to anything really? Ok, then can I murder you? But somehow I think you'd rightfully reject that idea. Not that I would or even want to. Now still think no one is entitled to have rights? Or why don't you say what you really mean, "its only right when I get what I want".

I smell a utopian uber libertarian anarchist on par with the delusional theist I debate.

If you hate anti social behavior then don't be a dick and tell gays they are arguing for special rights or more rights. Please don't embarrass yourself, you're going to make my irony meter explode.

I am not gay so if you have a problem with gays, debate them and then be willing to listen, otherwise you are displaying that "anti social" behavior you wrongfully accuse them of.

[*Deidre*]

What I'm always awe struck over when I hear or read stories such as this, is it's really just luck of the draw, where any of us end up being born. Right? How sad and crazy is that? So, I was born in the US, during an era where women are not thought of as second class citizens, etc. It is no slight thing to take for granted. I can't imagine living in a country where my rights are at the mercy of the government, and not everyone is treated equal. It's luck of the draw, to be born here or there or anywhere, and depending on where it is you are born, that is the religon you might have to 'assume,' and if you don't comply, you might be executed.

Luck of the draw. Scary and sad.

[freedomfromforum]

All kinds of racist, homophobic, separatist propaganda from his ignorant perspective. (my emphasis)

I once thought you were smart - I'm learning otherwise.

[IAmNotHere]

Personally, even though I'm against homosexuality and homosex propaganda in public, they also do have a right to exist. However, since its in Iran, its really none of my business.

The right to exist is an interesting choice of words.

Define homosexual propaganda.

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Since gays or "LGBT" as you call them, are a self-proclaimed minority, I generally tend to look at them as I look towards any other minority.
In my country, there are ethnic minorities that come to me with more or less the same fucking argument that gays or their activists spout in the west.
And I don't treat the gays in any different manner in this than I do ethnic minorities. Minorities do not have the right to impose their own agenda upon the majority. That I will not abide.
Other than that, they do share all the same rights with the majority. If they ask for more, I suggest that they get their own fucking state, and become a majority of their own right, when they can make rules that fit their expectations.
And well, you really make the wrong connections and provide me with wrong comparisons.
I tend to look at it in this way:

A minority comes to me and asks for rights for education in their own language, and then comes to me to provide him with a working place where he can use the education he received in his own language. Its like the situation in Finland, where the Swedish minority fucks up the Finnish majority by forcing them to learn Swedish, for the sake of the minority.

Then the gays come up to me and require me to change marriage according to their specifications so that they can more easily follow their own agenda that in itself is anti-social and counterculture, meaning they try to do the same as the example above, trying to force the majority to do things their way.
But let me tell you this, no one in this world needs the gays. I don't need them. I tolerate their existence because I value human life, but I don't need them to tell me how to define certain things such as marriage, or I don't need them to force me into re-shaping society according to their specifications. So if they don't like it, if they don't want to play things my way, they can go. I say this not only to them, but to any minorty with that kind of an entitlement mentality.

And let me tell you this, people are getting bored of this liberal bullshit. With each day passing, nationalist movements gain foothold in Europe and America, as much as the governments try to suppress it, as people are getting tired with the distortion of their national values, their culture and their traditions which have defined their societies for centuries are being stepped on and trampled underfoot in the name of minorities and marginal groups such as the artificially generated "LGBT" minority. But you're too blind to see. Your way of thinking has failed, and the implementation of failed ideals always backfires. And it will backfire in a way that you won't know what hit you. Liberal cosmopolitanism will be flushed down the toilet for good.

Self proclaimed minority? What else would you call the LGBT community exactly? We are not a majority.

Minorities do not have the right to voice their agenda huh? How else are they supposed to move forward to try and gain equal rights in society exactly?

I take it you are talking about gays fighting for rights in your country. It is funny how these "if you dont like it get out or dont look" attitude comes out but if the roles are reversed people cry persecution.

How is being gay and wanting a legal gay union anti-social exactly? They are not forcing the majority to do anything other than to ALLOW them to be legally recognised as a united couple exactly the same as heterosexual couples. That is all.

No one ever said that us homos are needed by anyone. We are what we are and your arguement doesnt really make much sense in this regard. I do not recall trying to reshape society, just working towards being able to be myself in society. Two entirely different things.

Why is it that you think that your way is the best way or the right way, and that other ways are not? There are plenty of religious and/or heterosexuals who support what it is the LGBTs are trying to achieve. WHat do you say to them?

That last paragraph kinda smelt of consipiracy. Artificially created? Say what now

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I really don't like the term "homophobe". I really don't need to fear gays, they don't have the power to change anything, nor do they have the power to create anything, i.e. children.

No one "needs" to fear gays...fear is rarely rational.

Also, gays can create children. We are not born barren. The method is just a little different.

[freedomfromforum]

Personally, even though I'm against homosexuality and homosex propaganda in public, they also do have a right to exist. However, since its in Iran, its really none of my business.

The right to exist is an interesting choice of words.

Define homosexual propaganda.

I think this is what he's afraid of >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

[IAmNotHere]

I think this is what he's afraid of >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

I personally do not do the whole gay pride thing but I think it is still valid and is also a celebration of sorts for western countries. Yay for not being executed for being a homo.

[FlyingNarwhal]

I think this is what he's afraid of >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_pride

I personally do not do the whole gay pride thing but I think it is still valid and is also a celebration of sorts for western countries. Yay for not being executed for being a homo.

Yeah I gotta say that's one thing I never got about some gay pride events is the over flamboyance.

This I get:


This I don't:
(Warning: I didn't realize how big this picture is....it's pretty big)

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[IAmNotHere]

Well straight women would have them in a parade if they could I'm sure lol

[Faith No More]

All kinds of racist, homophobic, separatist propaganda from his ignorant perspective. (my emphasis)

I once thought you were smart - I'm learning otherwise.

Oh, he's smart. He's just an asshole, too.