Discriminatory language in the terms of a christian forum.

[Esquilax]

Accusing me of not actually being sincere is a pretty lame way of avoiding the question.

Ask a stupid question, and my options are either to think you're stupid, or think you're lying. Would you like me to assume the former, next time?

I'm astonished you think homosexuality is genetic.
I have never seen anything conclusive of this.
Please explain how "the attraction" is genetic.

Given that the one thing it isn't, is a choice, the only other thing it could be is in some way biological. The science tends to back this up, in that numerous factors before one's birth play a part in the makeup of this. I'm not suggesting that there must be one clear, absolute factor that causes this, but a variety of conditions- at least some of them genetic in nature- are involved.

[Lion IRC]

I'll just leave the questions hanging there unanswered.
You can give whatever reason you like for not answering.

Accusing me of not actually being sincere is a pretty lame way of avoiding the question.
I'm astonished you think homosexuality is genetic.
I have never seen anything conclusive of this.
Please explain how "the attraction" is genetic.
Are you claiming that the tabula rasa might not be a clean slate after all?

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So male prison inmates having homosexual intercourse were "born that way"?

[evenheathen]

So male prison inmates having homosexual intercourse were "born that way"?

Sexual beings denied the opportunity to satisfy natural urges creates unnatural tendencies. The catholic church should be enough evidence to that, or are we to conclude that the perpetrating priests were "born that way"?

God works in mysterious ways.....

[Esquilax]

I'll just leave the questions hanging there unanswered.
You can give whatever reason you like for not answering.

I'll just assume you're a moron next time, then.

If you don't want to actually go out and look at the science on this, then that's fine, but don't act like I haven't answered the question. Sometimes there isn't a definitive answer yet, but the weight of evidence does certainly point in one direction, here.

[Lion IRC]

So male prison inmates having homosexual intercourse were "born that way"?

Sexual beings denied the opportunity to satisfy natural urges creates unnatural tendencies. The catholic church should be enough evidence to that, or are we to conclude that the perpetrating priests were "born that way"

So if I can prove that rape occurs naturally in the animal kingdom - an argument Krauss uses to justify the "naturalness" of homosexuality - then rapists should be tolerated because their urges are part of their nature/nurture?

[Esquilax]

So if I can prove that rape occurs naturally in the animal kingdom - an argument Krauss uses to justify the "naturalness" of homosexuality - then rapists should be tolerated because their urges are part of their nature/nurture?

No, because there is no scenario in which rape does not harm at least one person. You already know this, don't be such a dopey git.

[Lion IRC]

So if I can prove that rape occurs naturally in the animal kingdom - an argument Krauss uses to justify the "naturalness" of homosexuality - then rapists should be tolerated because their urges are part of their nature/nurture?

No, because there is no scenario in which rape does not harm at least one person. You already know this, don't be such a dopey git.

In the animal kingdom, perfectly natural rape done by an animal that was born with the natural desire to propagate DNA, can be highly beneficial.

But you already knew that. You were explaining before about the need to obey your genetic predispositions. Ho hum.

[Esquilax]

In the animal kingdom, perfectly natural rape done by an animal that was born with the natural desire to propagate DNA, can be highly beneficial.

Yes, and we're more cognitively advanced, sapient creatures capable of constructing systems that benefit everyone while removing outright harm. Or are you actually advocating for rape now, Lion?

But you already knew that. You were explaining before about the need to obey your genetic predispositions. Ho hum.

This is hilarious: I've noticed it more and more, but you theists, the only way you seem to be able to construct counterarguments lately is to ignore the whole of our arguments, pick single fragments out in isolation, and harp on them, instead of addressing what was actually said.

It is like watching clowns debate.

[pocaracas]

Or are you actually advocating for rape now, Lion?

My guess is that he equates raping to homosexualizing.
He advocates one as much as the other, that is... he doesn't.

[Aractus]