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Hell and imperfections in the universe
#41
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
(October 21, 2013 at 12:48 pm)Drich Wrote:



Your entire premise in this argument is one that you have tried to shoot down when the atheists have used it in reverse.
More than once you've taken this stance with atheists: "You're holding god accountable to human standards of justice and punishment and that cannot apply because he is God. His standards are set higher." I would think that nearly any regular member can vouch for me on this. You've said that we (the non-believers) cannot use human justice to account for god's justice, but NOW you want us to use human justice (the prison system) to justify eternal damnation. Sorry you can't have it both ways.

Additionally, there is also a major flaw in your logic:
You Wrote:This phase of our existance is finite, but 'we' have the potential of being infinite. hence the need for a life sentence. (for however long 'life' happens to be.)

Eternal reward and eternal punishment should be mutually exclusive. One does not necessitate the other. Just because there's supposed potential of eternal life doesn't mean you should have to be tortured eternally just because you didn't get it. This bears even more weight when you realize that the bible even brags about the fact that the great majority of people are burning in hell and are not getting the big prize in the sky.
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#42
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
Sorry but sin is just a word to the non believer. The concept is not real
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#43
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
Sin just your flaws as a human, the mistakes you make in life, tendency to harm yourself/others and so on.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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#44
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
Yea, i didn't ask for a definition. I know what sin means.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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#45
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
(October 21, 2013 at 5:31 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Sin just your flaws as a human, the mistakes you make in life, tendency to harm yourself/others and so on.

Otherwise known as the general actions taken whilst being alive. Undecided
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#46
RE: Hell and imperfections in the universe
I see "sin" as the stuff god tells you not to do. It does not have to be an issue of right or wrong, or of flaws or mistakes, or of harm done to others. If I covet a possession of my neighbor, I have sinned. If I have lustful thoughts towards a woman who is not my wife, I have sinned. Before Jesus arrived on Earth, I could have killed a man who worked on the Sabbath and not have sinned. I could have worn a garment of mixed fabrics and committed a sin. I could have followed the command to massacre my conquered foes and take one of their virgin girls as a wife and not have sinned. I could have refused to have sex with my dead brother's widow and committed a sin.

Sin, like Biblical morality, is whatever god says it is. No action is intrinsically good or evil, save apparently for "blaspheming against the holy spirit." Sin, like Biblical morality, is what god says it is at any given time, and subject to change.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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