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atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
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RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
Heya Leodeo,

As the saying goes, suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem.

Now the obligatory platitude is out of the way, I don't know how old you are and how long you've had BPD and depression (not that that I'm digging for info), but trust me, it does get better with time. There are treatments for depression, not so much for BPD. In a good proportion of BPD cases the symptoms do disappear. I know it's not much comfort here and now, but things do get better.

As far as why we're here and what our purpose is, I'm buggered if I know. What I do know, however, is that you have to figure out what makes you happy, what makes you content. Try to find things to occupy your mind, dwelling on it will only exacerbate things.

Like I said, things get better and when they do, questions like why we're here and what our purpose is become conundrums rather than problem. If you find something that gives you comfort, whatever it is, go for it.

Unless it's mutilating animals or kiddy fiddling or something. That shit's just wrong Big Grin
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#32
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
(October 20, 2013 at 6:14 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: As the saying goes, suicide is a long term solution to a short term problem.

Or "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

This is a dumb saying, anyhow. Long-term/permanent solutions are inherently good, no?
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#33
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
LeoDeo,

When I was a Christian, I lived my life in love. As I've continued my deconversion I have wondered these very questions. What I concluded was that I loved all those people, that I did all those things in love. I realized that everything I did and accredited to someone else was actually me. It gave me strength to know that I am that kind of person, and just because I don't have an imaginary thing overshadowing my intentions, I am still able to live my life in love. The rewards are equally as fulfilling, I believe, with regards to the psyche. I truly believe love has kept me alive. It's a hard road to take but it's worth it, for me.

I guess my point is this. Look at the parts of you that you liked as a believer, analyze what you did and realize it was you, no one else who did that. Then consider that you don't have to stop being who you are just because of your beliefs.

I agree with whateverist, clinical depression is biological and needs treatment. So does bpd. You can't pray it away, just ask my dad. He treats himself with god, and I'm thankful that he hasn't offed himself because of his beliefs, but in the end it's that very god that keeps him from treating and curing himself with the biological (REAL) things that will actually make a difference in how he feels.

Most of all, don't ever give up. Know that just because you may feel hopeless now doesn't mean that in the future you won't feel hope. Just do some of the things on freedomfromfallacy's list and I guarantee you'll start feeling betterSmile That's how I deal with my depression.


Gilgamesh Wrote:Or "suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem."

This is a dumb saying, anyhow. Long-term/permanent solutions are inherently good, no?

Suicide is not a solution to an unhappy life. It doesn't solve the problem, it removes the problem altogether by force. Problem is, it creates more problems. And doesn't allow for a resolution to the problems. A solution solves a problem or is a way of dealing with a problem. Suicide does neither.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#34
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
I have dealt with lifelong depression and what others are suggesting about taking some medicine can help. You also have to make sure that you want to be better and are taking steps in your life to be better. Helping others can make your life feel more fulfilling. Exercise releases chemicals in the brain that counteract depression. Creative expression helps verbalize how you feel so you can actually deal with it. All of those things help.

As far as meaning in life, there isn't one, but that just means, as others have said, that you need to create meaning yourself. You have to find for yourself reasons that life is worth living.
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#35
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
(October 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Suicide is not a solution to an unhappy life.
Sure it is.

>Miserable
>Kill yourself
>No longer miserable
>Problem solved
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#36
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
I suggest taking every day one at a time. From morning to night, make decisions that will be good for yourself. To start with, focus on taking care of yourself. Take a shower, clean house, make your environment worthy of your presence. Go grocery shopping, buy healthy foods. Then focus on doing things that release that seratonin. Futile is right, do some exercise. Take your dog for a walk? Or go visit someone you know needs a visit. Like I take my neice and nephew to the park, or go see my grandparents and grandpa likes to take killer walks Tongue
Did you know that just seeing the blue sky releases seratonin? Go sit out in the sun, start a project you've been wanting to do for awhile. I'm constantly battling to do these simple things because I'm on disability for an auto-immune disease and am on chemotherapy treatments. I have ptsd from all the medical stuff I've been dealt in the past, not to mention life in general. The number one most important thing is to sleep, to make sure you get enough sleep. You know what I mean. Take a benadryl or a tylenol PM if you have to, but get the rest you need night after night after night.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#37
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
^ lol fuck that just kill urself m8
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#38
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
(October 20, 2013 at 7:38 pm)Gilgamesh Wrote:
(October 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Suicide is not a solution to an unhappy life.
Sure it is.

>Miserable
>Kill yourself
>No longer miserable
>Problem solved

Not true, if you die you still lived life miserable only now you can't solve that problem. You take your ability to find a solution away completely.
Death is no answer to a problem in life. I've lost family members to suiced and their deaths were definitely not a solution to their problems, rather they created more problems in a ripple effect for everyone else. In the end the experiences they missed outweigh the problems they escaped. Exile never takes the crime away, and the problems are still there only concreted in suicide.

Also, I just reported your ass Gil.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#39
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
(October 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Not true, if you die you still lived life miserable only now you can't solve that problem. You take your ability to find a solution away completely.
Death is no answer to a problem in life. I've lost family members to suiced and their deaths were definitely not a solution to their problems, rather they created more problems in a ripple effect for everyone else. In the end the experiences they missed outweigh the problems they escaped. Exile never takes the crime away, and the problems are still there only concreted in suicide.

Well that's selfish. You'd rather someone live miserable just so you don't have to bear their death? Jebus.
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#40
RE: atheism making me more depresesd, what should i do?
Seems to me like your life is too miserable to bear, Gilgamesh. You're projecting your unhappiness like it's hot. Why don't you take those suggestions and go fuck yourself? We don't deserve to pay for your inability to get a lay.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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