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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 25, 2013 at 5:03 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm)John V Wrote: (October 25, 2013 at 4:11 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: And charities are not the same thing as churches. I really don't believe you're too stupid to get the difference. This one was part of a church for years, but outgrew it and needed more space.
Which magically makes it still a church?
(October 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm)John V Wrote: Atheist charities should exclude theists if they want to. They should accept theists if they want to. Who are you to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do with their own organizations?
A private citizen like yourself voicing my opinion, just like you, only irony isn't biting me on the ass the way it's chewing on yours.
(October 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm)John V Wrote: Quote:but I'm unaware of any that do, and I bet you are, too. That must gall you, because your sole motivation here is defending Team Christianity, right or wrong.
Actually I'm unaware of any atheist charities except for this one, and they manage to round up nine or ten people once a month, if that.
Googling 'atheist charities would cure that in a moment. There's never been an age when lack of awareness of something was more the result of the blinders you choose to wear than now.
(October 25, 2013 at 4:51 pm)John V Wrote: Except beliefs aren't relevant to cooking if you're not planning on espousing them, which is the story the atheists would have you believe.
They're relevant to being welcome as a volunteer at this charity, which is the simple truth.
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 4:36 pm)John V Wrote: Quote: •Everything we do is to glorify God.
The last bullet, however, does indicate that atheists aren't welcome to volunteer and proselytize (so to speak).
I wonder if you realized that you just admitted that the reason that soup kitchen exists is to proselytize to people? So much for doing good just because it's the right thing to do...
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 25, 2013 at 6:08 pm
STILL thinking out loud here... I was not there, and the media is nearly always biased to the point that information is usually incomplete at best, and tainted at worst. I'm playing the scene in my head and it looks like this:
An overzealous atheist group sincerely wants to help within their community, and also sees this as an opportunity to make a political/belief statement in favor of their position. At the same time, an overzealous soup kitchen manager sincerely wants to help within their community, and sees this as an opportunity to make a political/belief statement in favor of their position. The dividing line in this particular scenario, is that the atheists entered into a camp where opposing/differing beliefs were already in place with an intent to help, AND make a statement. To me (again, I was not there) this sounds a little like the atheist group was making waves by entering an established camp carrying opposing banners. I'm not sure what the atheist group expected, but it sounds like their intent was thwarted by a discerning zealot. I'm not choosing sides here, but it is best if we 'free thinkers' don't limit our thinking, rendering it 'bound' rather than free.
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm
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(October 25, 2013 at 5:03 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: Which magically makes it still a church? No, just talking. It doesn't matter if it's a church or charity.
Quote:A private citizen like yourself voicing my opinion, just like you, only irony isn't biting me on the ass the way it's chewing on yours.
OK, I guess you're out of intelligible arguments.
(October 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I wonder if you realized that you just admitted that the reason that soup kitchen exists is to proselytize to people? Wouldn't bother me if I had, but you're incorrect - proselytizing is not the only way to bring glory to god. Where in the world did you get that idea?
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 25, 2013 at 7:21 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm)John V Wrote: OK, I guess you're out of intelligible arguments.
States the one not providing one.
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 28, 2013 at 11:04 am
Good news, everyone! The Upstate Atheists handed out about 300 packages (toothpaste, socks, that kknd of stuff) worth about $15 each; and another Christian soup kitchen in the area is happy to have their help. Greer soup kitchen, I think.
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm
(October 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm)John V Wrote: (October 25, 2013 at 5:14 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: I wonder if you realized that you just admitted that the reason that soup kitchen exists is to proselytize to people? Wouldn't bother me if I had, but you're incorrect - proselytizing is not the only way to bring glory to god. Where in the world did you get that idea?
Why do you insist upon putting words in my mouth?
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 29, 2013 at 7:35 am
(October 25, 2013 at 7:21 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: (October 25, 2013 at 7:13 pm)John V Wrote: OK, I guess you're out of intelligible arguments.
States the one not providing one.
What is unintelligible about invisible poofdaddy claims?
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 29, 2013 at 4:54 pm
(October 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Why do you insist upon putting words in my mouth? That was the plainest conclusion from what you wrote, but feel free to clarify.
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RE: Chairity wont allow atheist to help.
October 30, 2013 at 11:07 am
(October 29, 2013 at 4:54 pm)John V Wrote: (October 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Why do you insist upon putting words in my mouth? That was the plainest conclusion from what you wrote, but feel free to clarify.
Off topic, but any way we can get more people from your church to join our forum? I'd be very interested in their perspectives, and you wouldn't have to field all comments from atheists by yourself.
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