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Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
#81
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
Well, I mean. Slick? Tongue
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#82
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
(October 30, 2013 at 8:20 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: I defer to you on these matters. You are the one with the knowledge, please don't leave here without sharing it with me. Rescue me from my ignorance.

I predict an "I would show you, but you'd just reject it anyway, so I won't waste my time" defense.
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#83
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
(October 30, 2013 at 8:20 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:
(October 29, 2013 at 4:16 pm)Godschild Wrote: I'll meet you half way, please bring your Bible, I can show you every answer you just asked for, but not on here, if you're really interested you'll take me up on this.

GC

Please don't underestimate my ability to comprehend your knowledge, GC. It is clear that you think me to be a slow learner, but don't underestimate my ability to comprehend what you have to share. You are certainly wiser than me with regards to that which is holy.

Teach me. Show me your proof that your standard of Holiness is correct. If it is something that can be understood and recognized as either Holy or Un-holy, there is a way for you to convey it to me without driving to meet me in person. I am in the military and it would be impossible for me to do so (Unless you happen to be near Virginia Beach).

I'll try to find a way for you to explain holiness to me. If you asked me to explain to you which division of number is even, I could say that it is any number that could be split into equal parts. Conversely, odd is any number that cannot, no?

Tell me which division of things is holy? I have a Bible, but without knowing your standard I am just as vulnerable to measuring the holiness of my interpretation incorrectly. Don't think me incapable of understanding through your post.


Tell me, because if anybody knows this, it is surely you. Does God approve it because it's holy, or is it Holy because it gets approved by God?


I defer to you on these matters. You are the one with the knowledge, please don't leave here without sharing it with me. Rescue me from my ignorance.

I'm not trying to say I know more than any other Christian when it comes to explaining what is holy. I'm not going to go through this with some who are involved in this thread, putting up with their undignified tripe is not what I came here for. The answer to the "Tell me" question is neither.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#84
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
(October 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Godschild Wrote: The answer to the "Tell me" question is neither.

GC

I'm actually fairly interested in where you'd go from there. Most christians make reference to god's nature, in order to resolve this issue, though that's largely a dodge. I wonder if you'd foster a long-awaited fourth answer.
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#85
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
(October 30, 2013 at 4:29 pm)Godschild Wrote:
(October 30, 2013 at 8:20 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: Tell me, because if anybody knows this, it is surely you. Does God approve it because it's holy, or is it Holy because it gets approved by God?

I'm not trying to say I know more than any other Christian when it comes to explaining what is holy. I'm not going to go through this with some who are involved in this thread, putting up with their undignified tripe is not what I came here for. The answer to the "Tell me" question is neither.

GC
Your humility is recognized and admired, but now is not the time to be so humble with your wisdom. Who among us is better qualified to answer such a question? Perhaps, GC, you don't want to point out the essence for me; rather, tell me of some attribute of which attaches to it, or to which it is attached?

Please don't keep me in the dark, but tell me from the beginning what it is to be holy. Perhaps Justice is the quality? Is all that is just holy, or is it the case that all that's holy is just?

Whereas not all that's just is holy-meaning part of it's holy and part of it is something else?

If I am not making myself clear, it is due to the lack of wisdom I hold on this subject, and your patience is gratefully appreciated. Let me make a comparison so that you may understand my question better.

It is said that where fear is found, there is also shame, but I don't believe this. Because there are people in fear of death and disease, and they are fearful without shame.

It's perhaps more accurate to say that wherever there is shame, there is also found fear. Fear of feeling shameful in the eyes of others and fear of an unfavorable reputation.

Shame is a division of fear. If holy can be recognized, it is surely measured with comparison to that which it is not as well as that which it relates to, and easily recognized as such. Like the example of numbers I gave previously: odd and even being a division of numbers.

Anyone that professes the knowledge of God's will that you no doubt have can easily show me the answer, as you undoubtedly have contemplated this very thing before you yourself you proclaim to know what it is to be holy. Teach me so that I don't follow into the footsteps of others that were not fortunate enough to know what scale through which holiness is measured. Show me your proof so that I may continue to share it with others in my defense of holiness.

Pay no mind to the others, and do not fear their ridicule. For when the trueness of your words are revealed, they too will have the means to be holy, and they too can be saved.
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#86
RE: Is killing a Pastor always a bad thing?
If it was my child the pastor was targeting his congregation would be ordering a body bag. Otherwise I'd probably go the non-violent route until all other options have been exhausted. You see, I'm more likely to respond emotionally when it's someone I care about being threatened. At least I'm honest.

And no, I don't care if the person trying to harm/kill the innocent is Christian or not. I got four words for them: "Over my dead body."

This is working on the assumption that they're attacking and there's no way to escape or hold them off.
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