Things I learned in church

[Drich]

Why don't I believe in bigfoot? Because there's no evidence for him. Why don't I believe in god? Same epically monumental problem. That said, there could be a god who started everything we see. I'm still looking for that god, however...

As far as that goes Hell is the absents of God. The torment comes for. Our nature of being a member of creation, and suddenly being seperated form it for all of eternity. Hell in of itself is torment, there is no need for one to actively torment you.

Hell is not just absence from god.

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Revelations 14 (NEW TESTAMENT)
9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

Revelations 21
8 But for the cowardly and [d]unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and [e]brimstone, which is the second death.”

Revelations 19
“Hallelujah! Salvation and glory and power belong to our God, for true and just are his judgments. He has condemned the great prostitute who corrupted the earth by her adulteries. He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”

And again they shouted: “Hallelujah! The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”

Revelations 20:10
And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beastu and the false prophetv had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.

(Rev. 19:19-21)
But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

1 John 5:12
He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Acts 4:12
12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

1 John 5:10-12
The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son. And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

Matthew 10:33
33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

John 3:14-17
17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

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the only thing worse than a Harry potter book is a Harry potter movie. Not because of the witch craft but because of general bad writting and poor imagination suckiness.

Um, you read the books then?


Also Drich, how about you not be lazy, and point out to poor ToriJ here where you think you have a point in the 22 page thread you just linked her/him to? Jesus.

Tori look like she pretty smart. If she read nothing else other than the op I think she could figure it out. Now that said if you need help figuring things out don't pretend tori is the dummy here, just ask me to show you what I mean.

As far as what hell is look up the two words in the orginal texts that describe it, then reconcile those meanings with the verses you left. If your honest you will see an absences or seperation from God/eternal life. If not, then you can chase your own tail about the biblical meaning of a place you supposedly don't believe in but know all about...

[freedomfromforum]

I hear tons of things I disagree with.
I'd hardly call that "learning".

Perhaps she 'learned' that religion is horse shit by hearing tons of Christians that she disagreed with, all agreeing with the bible but somehow not with each other.


EDIT: spell correction

[Faith No More]

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Just thought I would share some quotes from Christians I have interacted with that still to this day stands out in my mind. Even theists that I have shared these with have done double takes at them so I'm really interested to see what you guys think about these.

Good people go to hell, saved people go to heaven.

I was told this by the pastor of the baptist church I went to. It's interesting to me because usually they'll justify it by saying the people have done bad things, but he is actually bold enough to use the word good. But wait, there's more:

Satan doesn't torture people in hell, God does.

I wish I was joking. This is usually where they blame Satan. Not this time. The idea that God tortures people for eternity for not believing in him isn't too much of a stretch if you researched the old testament. He isn't exactly shy about getting his hands dirty. But the idea that there are people who actually accepts it is kind of terrifying...

People will believe anything to avoid the truth.

This speaks for itself.

Global Warming doesn't exist because there's no proof that it does.

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Harry Potter is bad, he breaks the rules and gets his friends in trouble and magic is bad. Also, wizards are fighting other wizards, a house divided against itself cannot stand.

Paraphrasing since I can't remember the exact quote, but still. Huh? 1.) It's a work of fiction. 2.) Was there really a need to throw the bible quote in there?

Lesson: how to witness to cults

Okay, this sounds interesting. What do you got?

Cults: Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims, Wiccans

one man's cult is another man's religion.

People who believe in evolution are only throwing mud at the wall in the hopes that it sticks.

If that's them winging it I DO NOT want to see them when they're using their brains.

So, thoughts? Comments? Have anyone heard similar lines before or have their own they would like to share? Floor's open.

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As you can see by Drich's responses, these are really just par for the course.

I have been preached at by enough Christians on this site that there is nothing so heinous or stupid that can come from a Christian's mouth that I would be shocked at anymore.

[Doubting Thomas]

Satan doesn't torture people in hell, God does.

At least this one admits it. Most Christians will claim that God doesn't send anyone to hell, people choose to go there. Of course they forget that God set up the whole system which everyone defaults to hell unless they happen to choose Christianity as their religion and then follows a strict set of rules.

[Mystical]

I did not imply the OP was 'dumb', but you just did, dear Drich. Your inability to mask your contempt merely proves yet again why you can't progress past the point in which you lie.

Again: if you have a point to be made in that 22pg thread then quote it. I'm merely trying to help you convey your message at the very least, adequately.

[Cinjin]

I hear tons of things I disagree with.
I'd hardly call that "learning".

LMAO

You christard!
We can actually add that to the list on the OP.

[T.J.]

I've seen the case made for no specific timeline given in Genesis between creation and the Fall of Man before. You have to take the book as non-literal in some areas in order to accomplish this, which is an easy enough argument to make if you concede that the book was written by a Hebrew man who had limited knowledge of the world (I'm sure the world back then was basically just the general area of where they lived) and the whole different language thing. I believe Moses is actually credited with writing the first five books of the Old Testament. But in order to do that you have to say the bible is inspired by God which opens up a whole new can of worms. I'm getting off track, though.

The Garden of Eden being seen as a paradise and specialize as a kind of heaven or place where time moves more slowly makes sense at least in the context of the bible because of how much importance is put on man in getting back to paradise with God. Problem. You can't exactly separate man in the way you did because we did not evolve from monkeys, or apes. We share a common ancestor. Also, there are animals in the Garden that was with Adam and Eve. How do you account for the similar animals between the Garden and outside the Garden? And as for my third point, you make the common mistake of using the bible as the source to proving an account in the bible. That's like me saying Obama is building his own secret army and citing Fox News as a source. It just doesn't work.

But let's for a moment assume for sake of argument, there are two types of human beings in the world. One with a soul and one without a soul. How do you tell them apart? I mean, right now a Christian somewhere could be trying to convert a person who has no soul and won't be going to heaven anyway. Actually, a lot of believers right now could be wasting their time because they don't have a soul so they aren't going to see an afterlife, or any afterlife.

[Bucky Ball]

The carbon crap is just revenue generating properganda. The planet yearly average temp is based on solar output and our proximity to the sun

I am a refrigeration Engeneer,

the only thing worse than a Harry potter book is a Harry potter movie. Not because of the witch craft but because of general bad writting and poor imagination suckiness.

kill Roy, buck Rogers, or dick Tracy.

The guy who can't even spell his OWN (purported) profession actually has the balls the criticize someone else's writing ? Hahaha.
Why that must be some "propERganda, right there.
And I'm a properganda "engeneer".

Seriously, this dude didn't "gradumatate" from Fifth Grade.

[Esquilax]

The guy who can't even spell his OWN (purported) profession actually has the balls the criticize someone else's writing ? Hahaha.
Why that must be some "propERganda, right there.
And I'm a properganda "engeneer".

Seriously, this dude didn't "gradumatate" from Fifth Grade.

I think he means he repairs refrigerators for a living, and just didn't want to give away his absolute lack of credibility.

[ronedee]

But let's for a moment assume for sake of argument, there are two types of human beings in the world. One with a soul and one without a soul. How do you tell them apart? I mean, right now a Christian somewhere could be trying to convert a person who has no soul and won't be going to heaven anyway. Actually, a lot of believers right now could be wasting their time because they don't have a soul so they aren't going to see an afterlife, or any afterlife.

It depends on what you are looking for. Do you want answers, including your op? Or is this, and your op just observation, or bashing?

For the sake of argument, and "observation"... why couldn't your "Baptist" minister be a person w/o a soul? Just because he says he's religious doesn't mean he represents the entire Protestant establishment. Maybe he's a plant trying to keep you away from God? He certainly wouldn't get many people away from the Catholic religion! But, I'm sure you already knew all that [op hogwash] was atypical. Right?

If you are "bashing" in your [op].... more realistic and representative quotes and practices would at least inspire debate....but then maybe some humble pie on your part, for unjustified bashing? But you knew that. And it would've been boring too. Right?

Which brings us to "answers". If indeed you are looking for them. You have to think more like God. Throw out completely everything you know about religion, and man's involvement in it! There's a start.

Jesus said, "The kingdom is within." [and] "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you."

Just.... You & God! Because, in the end? That's all there will be.