To me(and I am speaking as a part Heeb), Jesus was another persecuted Jew that got lynched by the Man, a misguided, idealistic and at times a genius Jew, but in the end Jesus was a failure
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Jews view of Jesus
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RE: Jews view of Jesus
December 15, 2013 at 4:05 pm
(This post was last modified: December 15, 2013 at 4:20 pm by Ksa.)
(November 21, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Dena Wrote: Jesus is entirely irrelevant to Jews. Some Christians like to imagine we spend our days hating him or trying to figure out how to make sure others don't accept him but really, he's just not important at all. I know...but why, doesn't Jesus say in Matthew 5:17: "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Jesus also says in Matthew 5:20: "For I say unto you that unless your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven." Jesus came and he nailed Moses' commandments to the cross. It's what the cross is...symbolically, the death of a man who came to fulfill Moses' commandments. God delivered you from the Egyptians now you wanted God to deliver you from the Romans too? What God is that? Messing into mortal business like a fly in the milk pot. A man comes, and quickly, you seek a MIRACLE. Matthew 12:38: "Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.” Quickly! Quickly! Give us a MIRACLE! You know, split a mountain in half, split the sea, split the Earth! They ask for a sign! Look what Jesus says: "He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah." John 14:8 says: "Philip said, "Lord, show us the Faaaaaaaather and that will be enough for us." LORD! SHOW US THE FAAAAAAATHER. You know show him to me so I make take a stroll and talk a bit with God and that will suffice. And Jesus says you're an IDIOT: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?" With Moses' genocide over, AGAIN, the unbelievers arise! Moses is gone! There is no one there to chop their heads off for asking to see God so they ask Jesus and Jesus insults them! Is this basis for rejecting a prophet? Because he didn't show GOD! Is this what Moses taught you in the Torah, that you can walk to a prophet and ask him to see God and give him a HUG? Give a HUG to GOD? Jesus kept explaining but the Jews...they couldn't hack onto the message. Why do you reject the man? ![]()
Without Jesus and the conversion of Rome to Christianity, Judaism would have died a long time ago. Unless of course you believe it was all destined by divine intervention ;-). Without Islam appropriating 80% of Judaism and basically making one large global universal Jewish-like tribe called the Umma, Judaism would be a small cult in the backwaters of Arabia and Persia.
As the president of American Atheists says: he's an atheist, not a Jewish atheist. http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-life-and...-atheist/2 |
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