How do you get from "beginning of the universe" to christianity?

[MindForgedManacle]

He's just denying the Chuck he knows to exist supremely, denying that truth in unrighteousness.

Do I do a good presuppositionalist theist impersonation or what?

[Ryantology]

How do you get from basic elements to organic chemistry? It's a long road, but you know you are on the right path if you love God and your neighbor as yourself. Any religion that allows you to grow in those two loves is the right one.

An interesting take on a religion which is based upon a religion which teaches you to fear God and to kill your neighbor, rape his wife, and sell his daughters if he doesn't fear God to an appropriate degree.

No. That just means all who follow their religion with love and charity are moving in the right direction.

So, we don't actually need Christianity nor the overwhelming majority of its bullshit. I can get behind that. I would be 100% copacetic with Christians if more than a handful actually did just love their God and didn't try so hard to make life miserable for people who don't.

[Neo-Scholastic]

No. That just means all who follow their religion with love and charity are moving in the right direction.

So, we don't actually need Christianity ...

Moving in the right direction is not the same as reaching your goal. God still loves you, Ryan. He wants you to stop walking away.

[Godscreated]

Thrown "ifs" in at random?

Once you are on the Yahweh path you have 3 main choices, correct?
If you select the second of those choices - Christianity, then you have a plethora of further choices.

No the whole order of God's will lead to Christianity, the Israelites were a step in the process, all other religions have no part in this plan except to be shown as false.

You stopped at the second choice - OK - it was in the OP - but from there - which group? Catholic? Greek Orthodox? Protestant? Jehovah's Witness? Mormon? Quaker?.......

The only thing mentioned was Christianity and what problems the different denominations brought in are man made not of God nor to His liking.

Each one of those delights in telling you that they are on the only true path and that only they will be going to heaven. Now its possible that they are all wrong in that, but, if they are, maybe the whole thing is wrong.

Some may most do not say they are the only way, Christ said He is the only way and any denomination or individual church that forgets this is in serious trouble.

The Jews and the Moslems will certainly say that they are all wrong. I'd guess Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and all the rest would agree.

I'm sure they do, that doesn't mean they are right.

From where I sit the chance of you being right even if there is a theistic God is thousands to one against.

You must certainly be in the wrong seat.

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Why can I never get hide tags to work properly?

Want be able to show you the hide tags will be hidden.

GC

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Yahweh is the Trinity, thus Christ is part of Yahweh. Read my reply to 'maxy' it applies to you also.

GC

It's kind of confusing, because at times Jesus didn't act like he was Yahweh, or part of Yahweh.

How so, God said He could not change His nature?

What's the point of Satan tempting him if he isn't a separate being. Why say "Let not my will, but your will be done" and "My God, why have you forsaken me?" If he is part of Yahweh.

Jesus was a human with all the same weaknesses as us.
Those were responses to the God the Father.
We can't understand the Trinity to any depth, it is beyond human understanding and God as not revealed the depths of the Trinity, apparently we do not need to know the depths of the Trinity.

Not that that's even close to the only confusing thing about that mess of a holy book.

I do not know anyone who can completely understand all the scriptures have within them, if we did we would possibly be more on God's level. God does however reveal to people what they need to know and at times things they wish to know.

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[Ryantology]

Moving in the right direction is not the same as reaching your goal. God still loves you, Ryan. He wants you to stop walking away.

I gave God almost ten years. He didn't seem all that interested.

[max-greece]

Thrown "ifs" in at random?

Once you are on the Yahweh path you have 3 main choices, correct?
If you select the second of those choices - Christianity, then you have a plethora of further choices.

No the whole order of God's will lead to Christianity, the Israelites were a step in the process, all other religions have no part in this plan except to be shown as false.

And how can you know this?

You stopped at the second choice - OK - it was in the OP - but from there - which group? Catholic? Greek Orthodox? Protestant? Jehovah's Witness? Mormon? Quaker?.......

The only thing mentioned was Christianity and what problems the different denominations brought in are man made not of God nor to His liking.

And how can you know this? Maybe God loves having multiple denominations.

Each one of those delights in telling you that they are on the only true path and that only they will be going to heaven. Now its possible that they are all wrong in that, but, if they are, maybe the whole thing is wrong.

Some may most do not say they are the only way, Christ said He is the only way and any denomination or individual church that forgets this is in serious trouble.

Again there is simply no way for you to know this.

The Jews and the Moslems will certainly say that they are all wrong. I'd guess Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and all the rest would agree.

I'm sure they do, that doesn't mean they are right.

Of course not, but it doesn't add to your case either. There is no way of knowing for sure if anyone is right but your case is only stronger to you. To me there is no difference.

From where I sit the chance of you being right even if there is a theistic God is thousands to one against.

You must certainly be in the wrong seat.

The deluded seats were all taken.

[Godscreated]

No the whole order of God's will lead to Christianity, the Israelites were a step in the process, all other religions have no part in this plan except to be shown as false.

And how can you know this?

I've read and studied His plan with His guidance.

The only thing mentioned was Christianity and what problems the different denominations brought in are man made not of God nor to His liking.

And how can you know this? Maybe God loves having multiple denominations.

I didn't say God disliked the different denominations, where did you see that. I did say that He doesn't like the problems made by them. God doesn't want His children fighting among themselves, this is shown throughout the NT.

Some may, most do not say they are the only way, Christ said He is the only way and any denomination or individual church that forgets this is in serious trouble.

Again there is simply no way for you to know this.

Simply read the Bible and do a little studying of it and you will see the answer for yourself.

I'm sure they do, that doesn't mean they are right.

Of course not, but it doesn't add to your case either. There is no way of knowing for sure if anyone is right but your case is only stronger to you. To me there is no difference.

That's because you have placed blinders on, just as the Israelites did and were punished for it. There was no Buddha, the Hindus have thousands and thousands of gods made of stone or wood some probably out of plastic now. Allah was born out of a moon god and most all gods are some inanimate object setting on shelves rotting away, though the plastic ones will last longer, but the God of Christians lives in us and seeks us to have a relationship with Him.

You must certainly be in the wrong seat.

The deluded seats were all taken.

I bet they were full of all the atheist here, so I guess you wound up in the lost but not yet found.

GC

[Chad32]

Thrown "ifs" in at random?

Once you are on the Yahweh path you have 3 main choices, correct?
If you select the second of those choices - Christianity, then you have a plethora of further choices.

No the whole order of God's will lead to Christianity, the Israelites were a step in the process, all other religions have no part in this plan except to be shown as false.

You stopped at the second choice - OK - it was in the OP - but from there - which group? Catholic? Greek Orthodox? Protestant? Jehovah's Witness? Mormon? Quaker?.......

The only thing mentioned was Christianity and what problems the different denominations brought in are man made not of God nor to His liking.

Each one of those delights in telling you that they are on the only true path and that only they will be going to heaven. Now its possible that they are all wrong in that, but, if they are, maybe the whole thing is wrong.

Some may most do not say they are the only way, Christ said He is the only way and any denomination or individual church that forgets this is in serious trouble.

The Jews and the Moslems will certainly say that they are all wrong. I'd guess Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs and all the rest would agree.

I'm sure they do, that doesn't mean they are right.

From where I sit the chance of you being right even if there is a theistic God is thousands to one against.

You must certainly be in the wrong seat.

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Why can I never get hide tags to work properly?

Want be able to show you the hide tags will be hidden.

GC

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It's kind of confusing, because at times Jesus didn't act like he was Yahweh, or part of Yahweh.

How so, God said He could not change His nature?

What's the point of Satan tempting him if he isn't a separate being. Why say "Let not my will, but your will be done" and "My God, why have you forsaken me?" If he is part of Yahweh.

Jesus was a human with all the same weaknesses as us.
Those were responses to the God the Father.
We can't understand the Trinity to any depth, it is beyond human understanding and God as not revealed the depths of the Trinity, apparently we do not need to know the depths of the Trinity.

Not that that's even close to the only confusing thing about that mess of a holy book.

I do not know anyone who can completely understand all the scriptures have within them, if we did we would possibly be more on God's level. God does however reveal to people what they need to know and at times things they wish to know.

GC

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If God is supposed to be perfect, that means he can't change. If he's not perfect, then why worship him? If he really wanted to bring everyone into heaven like he says, he'd do a better job. As it stands, most of humanity is going to hell just for being born in the wrong country, or not seeing enough evidence. I don't find it difficult to understand people who really want me to understand them. They just have to come and talk to me like a real person. Not through signs, other people, or the writings of other people.

[Godlesspanther]

I think it rather telling that theists now have to resort to first cause. Lightening, tides, mountains, etc. no longer being so mysterious the god of the gaps has to go all the way back to the beginning of the universe.

Then it becomes -- the universe may have been created intentionally by one or more, living or dead, very powerful or all powerful things or beings to -- therefore, pray to Jesus or go to hell.

What about the 98,392 steps in between?

[crickets]

[Lek]

I believe christianity is true because I bellieve the witnesses who walked with Jesus. If Jesus could work the miracles that he did and then rise from the dead then I believe what he said. The writers of the new testament faced persecution, even to death, from lthe established Jewish leadership, from their own families and later from the Roman government. I just don't see any reason for them to lie. As for all those other arguments, if God is who I believe he is, he can create the universe any way he wants to, however that was. I didn't start from the beginning, but from the fufillment of all that was written about beforehand.