Challenging the Atheist belief

[Faith No More]

Just a reminder: the cure for getting a shitty song stuck in your head is not getting a different shitty song stuck in your head.

This is the cure..




I feel better.

[Natedeezy]

Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.

No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.

There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that. Maybe if you'd stop looking at the glass half empty and spend a little more time not trapped in your mind, which you think you are in control of, which is clearly untrue, because if you were you'd be able to escape the misery you're clearly in, whether you'll admit it or not. The majority of your posts, which resemble a child's attempt at argument, demonstrate this.

If you'd like to believe life can be explained by science, go ahead, but your trapped in the ego of your mind, where it believes it can understand everything, when in fact the examples I gave about hearing and seeing show this. There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.

And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

[Silver]

you don't know for certain.

Yes, I do. God does not exist.

[Faith No More]

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Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.

No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.

There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that. Maybe if you'd stop looking at the glass half empty and spend a little more time not trapped in your mind, which you think you are in control of, which is clearly untrue, because if you were you'd be able to escape the misery you're clearly in, whether you'll admit it or not. The majority of your posts, which resemble a child's attempt at argument, demonstrate this.

If you'd like to believe life can be explained by science, go ahead, but your trapped in the ego of your mind, where it believes it can understand everything, when in fact the examples I gave about hearing and seeing show this. There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.

And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

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You're confusing the rejection of a claim with believing the opposite of a claim is true. I don't believe there is no god. I believe that the burden of proof for god's existence has not been met.

And yes, our mind's are quite limited. But if our mind's are so limited, why do you believe that your mind has correctly led you to the conclusion that god exists and is necessary? Isn't entirely possible that the universe is explainable by natural means and your brain just isn't capable of understanding that?

I don't believe that my life can be entirely explained by science, but I refuse to fill those gaps in knowledge with an unproven hypothesis. There is much mystery to life, but I am content with that. It is up to you to demonstrate that god exists and is the answer to that mystery. If you cannot, which no one has been able to, I will continue refusing to accept the existence of god.

[pocaracas]

Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.

Your understanding of the nature of most atheists is based on the same level as my understanding of olive oil manufacturing...

I don't believe there is no god.
I don't believe there is a god.

(there's a third option)

No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.

True, true...

Seems like the preamble to a god of the gaps argument.

There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.

NDEs have that N in there...
I don't like it.
Get me people who have actually been dead to tell us about how it is.

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that.

Pessimism? why?
I think it's based on the optimistic view that humanity can, one day, understand much more than it does, today... the optimistic view that we still have much to learn, much to discover, much to be amazed... the optimistic view that we are all individuals which should strive to be the best we can to every other individual.... unlike the religious view which pits the in-group against the out-group...

There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.

So this room full of sulfur... is there anything else I can use to measure this sulfur, besides my nose?
Add water and see that it behaves differently from water in normal conditions, perhaps?...

Our senses can't measure electromagnetic waves beyond the visible range, both to the Infra-red side of the spectrum and to the Ultra-violet on...
But we know they're there, we can make devices which do measure in those frequencies and relay the information to us.... heck, AM radio is a perfect example of that.... look it up.

And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

You are basing your "decision" on your indoctrination... on what other people told you to believe...
What if those other people are wrong? How can you tell if they're wrong?
If you can't, then they are probably wrong and you shouldn't follow them.

[Mister Agenda]

Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.

Maybe there is a higher existence, God, whatever. If there is, I am in no position to know it. And neither are you.

No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.

That doesn't sound like a good reason to assert the existence of particular things that we can't understand and perceive.

There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.

'Unexplainable' isn't a synonym for 'supernatural'.

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that.

Pessimism and skepticism aren't synonyms, either. The only reason I don't believe your claim is that you can't support it and I've noticed that you can't support it. If you're right, it's purely by coincidence, because you don't know whereof you speak.

Maybe if you'd stop looking at the glass half empty and spend a little more time not trapped in your mind, which you think you are in control of, which is clearly untrue, because if you were you'd be able to escape the misery you're clearly in, whether you'll admit it or not. The majority of your posts, which resemble a child's attempt at argument, demonstrate this.

I know this isn't directed at me, but that rant makes you look like an example of what you're ranting about.

If you'd like to believe life can be explained by science, go ahead, but your trapped in the ego of your mind, where it believes it can understand everything, when in fact the examples I gave about hearing and seeing show this. There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.

Maybe life can't be explained by science. That doesn't mean it can be explained by magic. When you don't know something, the honest thing is to admit that you don't know it, not make stuff up based on guesses and assert it to be true and anyone who agree with your guesses is being unreasonable.

And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

Whatever it's limits, ultimately our minds are all that we have for certain, and we abandon their use at our own peril.

[downbeatplumb]

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain,

I choose to not believe in things I don't know for certain.
What exactly is your problem with that?

There may be a cat in my garden.
I wont believe there is a cat in my garden till I see one in there.
See how that works.

[Silver]

There may be a cat in my garden.
I wont believe there is a cat in my garden till I see one in there.
See how that works.

You need to have faith that there is a cat in your garden. Even though you still will not be able to see the cat, you will know the cat is there despite not being able to see it.

Makes perfect sense if one is delusional.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

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Your belief that there is no higher existence, God, whatever, is based on the same level as mine, a belief.

No one knows for certain, and I'm certainly not claiming to know. I am however, not above acknowledging that my mind, and everyone's mind, is limited. If it wasn't and we had a total understanding of life, we'd be able to re-create it, we can't. And so our perspective on life is limited to what we can understand and perceive.

There are many examples of the unexplainable, especially in NDE's which as I mentioned, are our greatest link to understanding if there is something after this. And no matter what type of scientific explanation you can give, such as the release of DMT upon the moments of death, it can't explain everything, such as people knowing what happened while in a coma, not even in the room, but on the ground floor of the hospital.

As much as you'd like to argue that no God exists, you don't know for certain, it's nothing more than a belief, and a one rooted in pessimism at that. Maybe if you'd stop looking at the glass half empty and spend a little more time not trapped in your mind, which you think you are in control of, which is clearly untrue, because if you were you'd be able to escape the misery you're clearly in, whether you'll admit it or not. The majority of your posts, which resemble a child's attempt at argument, demonstrate this.

If you'd like to believe life can be explained by science, go ahead, but your trapped in the ego of your mind, where it believes it can understand everything, when in fact the examples I gave about hearing and seeing show this. There could be an entire world out there that we'll never experience because we cannot perceive it. It'd be like living in a room of sulfur but not being able to smell it because your smelling sense doesn't exist, and so your refusal to believe it exists. Just because you refuse to believe it, doesn't mean you're right.

And I'm not claiming to be right, I'm just not willing to try and base my entire decision on my mind, which is clearly quite limited in this seemingly infinite world.

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Warning, this response will very much rape your eyes...

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[houseofcantor]

If I can't get that damn Cher song out of my head after reading that, there's going to be hell to pay.

Bring it. I'm in a feisty mood and ready for all kinds of kinky punishments God wouldn't approve of.

I was gonna respond to the OP but my kinda derailed...

OK, I'm back. It went like...

NDE! Can't explain that!
(Evidence presented for the phenomena of NDEs)
Ramble...ramble... NDE! Can't explain that!

So I'm guessing that there's really no response other than...

Summer, tell us moar!