Challenging the Atheist belief

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Can't you see you're internally fighting what is? You're defending your right to be miserable based on your external world. That's insanity.

Are you so blind that you can't see that in fact it's you denying reality by inventing one to suit your own needs and desires? You're like a child.

Now fuck off with your regarded sermonizing, dipshit. We don't need advice from a kid who doesn't know his arse from his elbow and who insists on telling us what we believe and feel.

[pocaracas]

My beliefs aren't some indoctrination that I've read and accepted, in fact it's the opposite and similar to yours, only with a different conclusion.

Yes they are.
Had you not been born within a society which teaches you the concept of the divine, would you ever have even reasoned that way and considered it as a viable option?

Your belief is you don't follow a religion and accept that God exists because there is no proof.

My belief is, I don't follow a religion, but I believe that there exists evidence beyond our understanding that suggests there could be a God.

How do you reckon that such evidence exists, if it's beyond our understanding?

Such as certain NDE's

AGAIN?!
NDEs are not DEs.... N = Near... means the person never dies.

Or intelligence,

The ability to think?
Like dolphins do? and dogs, and cats, and many other mammals...?
And maybe even lizards do it...
And birds... certainly, I've seen a crow (or was it a raven?) use his street smarts to crack open a nut... by placing it in the middle of the road, waiting for a car to pass by, and then retrieving the juicy pieces.

such as the people who are happiest are in a state of love.

Perhaps the concept of "happy" has some common threads with the concept of "love", don't you think?

But what is love outside of a word? We cannot explain it, it'd be like explain what a tree looks like to a blind man. You have to experience it.

What is hate?
what is friendship?
what is stupidity?
What is hopelessness?

Describe any emotion...

Too me, this intelligence and why its incorporated within life suggests a map that might indicate a reason for our existence.

No reason. We just exist.

I believe God is that map.

Would you believe that had the concept of god never been introduced to you?

Why does it feel good when someone compliments you and why does it feel bad when someone insults something important to you?

To me, there's something to this. It doesn't just exist for no real reason, as nothing seems to exist for no real reason, as evolution suggests.

"evolution suggests" that things exist for no real reason, is that it?
Evolution suggests that life forms adapted slowly to their environments... The reason was the environment... the drive to stay alive.

For these reasons, I believe in a God, but not in the form that most have been conditioned to understand, but in the form of love, which to me, from what I understand, seems to be the reason we exist.

Why believe in such a thing?

[Vadakin]

What is love? A product of evolution. It is the product of two defining aspects of our species - our need to procreate and our status as social animals.

Does breaking love down scientifically diminish it? No. If you know all of the ingredients of a cake and you know how to bake it, does that knowledge diminish the taste? Not at all. In fact for many people, knowing how to bake a cake and then actually doing it can enhance the sensation because it's something they've worked for.

Affection and companionship are things we need as social animals. Heck, it's one of the reasons religion has been around for so long. We have an innate need to belong somewhere, to be with people, to connect with others. It's why many people seek out God. To believe that there's someone who is always there, someone who cares. It feeds into that natural desire to not be alone. Why do children make up imaginary friends? Generally speaking they grow out of it. But as a species, humans are still children and many of us have yet to grow out of our relationship with the imaginary gods we want to believe are there because the alternative is loneliness.

[thesummerqueen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hllTWhZPIzg

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Here's the question you need to answer: what is God?

Is it something infinitely more intelligent, then would an alien qualify?

Or is it some sort of parent figure that doles out punishment as it pleases? If so, I've said this before and I'll say it again, I find the need people have for such a figure really childish and infantile. Does it scare you so much that humanity doesn't have someone watching over it? Enough that you'd trade in our freedom for some nonexistent parent figure who doesn't care about us? You must lack a lot of self esteem.

Doesn't feel good when other people tell you about yourself, does it?

[Simon Moon]

So, to summarize, Natedeezy has nothing but:

Argument from ignorance.
'god of the gaps'
Special pleading.
A misunderstanding of atheism.
A misunderstanding of burden of proof.
Leading the evidence.


Did I miss anything?

[Whateverist]

To me, there's something to this. It doesn't just exist for no real reason, as nothing seems to exist for no real reason, as evolution suggests.

For these reasons, I believe in a God, but not in the form that most have been conditioned to understand, but in the form of love, which to me, from what I understand, seems to be the reason we exist.

What does that even mean "a God in the form of love"? What a load of crap. So now love, like consciousness, has to be something disembodied which is added to material things by divine things? What do you imagine this does for your position exactly? Love that arises from neuro-biology isn't good enough? Pretty hooeyish.

[MitchBenn]

How can "all chemical" explain the examples I gave?

That is coming from a scientist, who 50 years ago would have thought an atom was the smallest existence of life. Science changes. To think we finally have it figured out is really narrow minded.

And I don't have a God I'm trying to sell you on, I'm just saying ignoring all I've said because you have 20 years believing one thing is choosing to look at life in a real bleak way, especially since there is another way to look at it that's equally as logical. Kinda shows the inner state of the atheist, and the posts demonstrate it...

We're not ignoring it. We've just heard it all hundreds of times before, it makes no sense, and we're saying so.

Your thoughts aren't being ignored. They're being assessed and dismissed.

[Tonus]

And the question I always ask people who believe in atheism is: Why does sex feel good?

Presumably our creator wants us to have sex as frequently as possible, because she wants us to enjoy life. I wish more religions would understand this, because their reaction to the fact that sex feels good is to apply one restriction or limitation after another on it. God didn't help much there either, introducing diseases that are so easily spread via sexual contact and making pregnancy a chore and childbirth difficult and even life-threatening.

So maybe it isn't sex that feels good, it's the stimulation of certain parts/areas of our body. A foot massage can feel pretty good too, after all. And that amazing ice cream (or pizza, or cheesburger, etc) that makes your toes curl makes you feel pretty good too. Maybe god doesn't care whether we procreate or not, she just wants us to feel good all the time. That's why she provided so many ways to do so, including many very powerful methods involving narcotics like heroine or cocaine... oh, right. Addiction and side-effects.

I think the more relevant quality of this god is not her intellect, but her malicious nature. She provides so many ways in which we can enjoy life, then attaches some sort of terrible price to it. Honestly, why is god such a miserable cunt?

[Mudhammam]

Question.

I'll first say, I do not follow a particular religion, but I do believe in a creator or God or higher power or whatever you'd like to name it.

The reason I believe there is a creator is, there is so much intelligence within life, that it seems it points to the idea that it must have come from somewhere.

And the question I always ask people who believe in atheism is: Why does sex feel good?

Seems simple. But really, it's more complex that it may seem. Why is it that the area of the body that feels best when stimulated is also the area that is responsible for reproduction? For example, why isn't it the elbow that feels amazing and produces a feeling like an orgasm when rubbed? And why is it that we have hormones that make us horny? Well, it seems that the reason sex feels good and we have hormones that make us want to have sex is to give incentive to humans and animals to participate. And it just so happens that the result of sex is the continuation of life. If there is no God or creator or higher power, where does this intelligence come from? Where does ALL the intelligence in life come from, such as love and hate?

Isn't it possible that there is a God or whatever you'd like to call it, only it doesn't exist as a man in the sky or any form that most religions might describe it by that this intelligence originates from?

Obviously, the reason our dicks and vaginas feel so good when we're engaging in premarital sex is because the JuJu on planet JuJu have programmed us that way.