Israeli woman fined for not circumsizing her son.

[pocaracas]

Would any of the men here who are glad they are circumcised be willing to undergo the procedure now, if you were uncut?

I cannot know for certain had I not been circumcised if I would still have the same disgust for the uncut penis as I currently do. I will not have sexual encounters with men who are uncut for the simple reason that the uncut penis is very unappealing to me.

If I preferred the aesthetics of the cut penis even though I was uncut, I would most likely have the procedure performed on me.

That sounds a lot like what I have on my feet... Syndactyly

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not my feet!

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I find "normal" feet to be strange, while mine are pleasing.
On the other hand, anyone who gets a good look at my feet gets a bit disgusted.
So, I'd say it's a habit thing... And we perceive ourselves as "normal".

[Psykhronic]

Any of the female members (sorry) want to comment on the relative aesthetic pleasure they derive from circumcised / uncircumcised todgers?

I mean in fairness, I couldn't honestly describe mine as Aesthetically pleasing.

As someone who likes males, I prefer uncut. Looks and feels better to me. But of course, this is not about me - but rather, individuals who have a penis.

[max-greece]

OK - the fine for the woman is ludicrous. As for the procedure itself, I'm Jewish by origin and got done at 8 days old. I have no way to tell if I am less sensitive that those that are in-tact.

Jewish guys tend to tell other Jewish guys that women are keener on giving BJ's to circumcised penises as its cleaner and neater. Again - I have no way to tell.

Health benefits? Apparently cervical cancer is rarer amongst Jewish girls that non-Jewish ones (not checked that - what I have heard - from my Jewish friends). It does appear that there is a slightly reduced risk with regards to HIV.

Frankly I simply haven't given the whole thing much thought as there's not a whole hell of a lot I can do about it. A friend of mine had it done recently as his foreskin was problematic. He hasn't mentioned any adverse side effects (then again he wasn't enjoying sex before as it was painful for him - so I guess things have improved now).

I don't think we can validly compare male to female circumcision - the latter being a far more invasive and detrimental procedure.

[NoraBrimstone]

Once again, circumcision for non-medical reasons is child abuse, however you want to dress it up. It's totally unnecessary to cut off healthy bits of a child. Nobody should have the right to needlessly mutilate another person's body without their permission. Ever. Simple as that.

[Chad32]

There's nothing they do to the infants that can't be done later in life.

False. As an infant, there is no painful memory retained into adulthood whereas the precise opposite is true if the procedure is performed on an adult.

Most adults shouldn't have a hard time getting over it. I almost died after a surgery because I wound up finding out I have hemophilia the hard way, but I'm not scarred for life over it. How bad is it really to go through the procedure in adulthood?

[Zazzy]

Any of the female members (sorry) want to comment on the relative aesthetic pleasure they derive from circumcised / uncircumcised todgers?

I mean in fairness, I couldn't honestly describe mine as Aesthetically pleasing.

I have never cared, but I'm not sure this is something women's opinion matters on, anyway.

[Whateverist]

What a monster! Any mother that doesn't get her son's dick cut is beneath contempt and should be at least fined if not stoned to death. [/sarcasm]

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Jewish guys tend to tell other Jewish guys that women are keener on giving BJ's to circumcised penises as its cleaner and neater. Again - I have no way to tell.

This is great. You're giving me material for new pick up lines.

[Tiberius]

Now who's making a straw man argument?

Go look up the meaning of the term "straw man argument". I never implied that your argument was that the average man in the UK or US should be circumcised. I was making an additional point of my own.

Tib, parents are allowed and have every right to make decisions that other parents will necessarily disagree with, that's what makes it the right of the parents to decide. I strongly believe that it should be the rights of the parents to decide whether to immunize their children, I know of two parents who didn't and in both cases their children got measles (but lived), and I recognize the benefits to immunization - and if I had children, I would have them immunized - but at the end of the day I fundamentally believe it's for the parents to decide and no one should be disadvantaged for choosing to do one thing or the other.

I agree with you to an extent, however putting a child in harm's way is child abuse. Cutting off a piece of a child may not harm them, but it is unnecessary at their age. Unless you think there are children out there having sex and getting HIV through their foreskins, or that parents don't bathe their children and ensure that they are clean.

I didn't give you a straw man argument. My argument is that infection is far more likely with a forsekin, yours was that (essentially) cleaning the forseskin will negate the risks.

It was a straw man argument because I used the word clean and you changed it to "sterilised", which I never said, hence you were arguing against a point I never even made. Yes though, keeping a foreskin clean will prevent infection as much as circumcision might on the grand scale of things.

On a website called "circumstitions"? Oh I'm so sure they're non-biased. One look at their homepage shows their agenda is a strong as NAMBLA - what if I posted a link to NAMBLA stating that the effects of paederasty are only positive?

So the answer to my question of whether you would read mine us a resounding no then.

If you had bothered to read past the domain name, you would realise that the studies are simply collected on that site, they were not performed by the site. A study by professionals does not somehow lose its credibility because it is posted on an activist site. I didn't link to the studies directly because there were a lot of them and I was on my phone.

I am glad though that at least your low level of intellectual integrity was exposed. If you want a debate, you should be polite enough to read your opponent's evidence, not simply dismiss it for no legitimate reason.

It's not the only benefit - and again, the WHO recommend it in 3rd world countries as a viable option in the fight against AIDS, why would you dismiss its benefits 'here'?

Because 'here' we have access to clean water, to doctors, to good healthcare, and the percentage of AIDS infected people is much much lower, that's why. We also have no problem understanding why we need to take precautions such as condoms and properly cleaning our private areas. The two situations are not even remotely comparable.

[Chas]

Would any of the men here who are glad they are circumcised be willing to undergo the procedure now, if you were uncut?

I cannot know for certain had I not been circumcised if I would still have the same disgust for the uncut penis as I currently do. I will not have sexual encounters with men who are uncut for the simple reason that the uncut penis is very unappealing to me.

If I preferred the aesthetics of the cut penis even though I was uncut, I would most likely have the procedure performed on me.

I seriously doubt that.

[Doubting Thomas]

All I know is, I was circumcised as a newborn and it must have hurt pretty badly because I couldn't walk for a year.