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RE: Who create God?
December 11, 2013 at 7:49 am
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(December 11, 2013 at 7:28 am)Nineteen Wrote: We are afraid of Allah because of we believe in him .
We believe in him not because of we are afraid of him .
Sure you do. Maybe not you personally, I'm sure you can justify your faith adequately. But all the usual questions about "who governs our lives if there is no god" and "without god, where did everything come from" etc reflect, at their core, a fear of the alternative: the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the Universe doesn't even know we're here. And that is scary to contemplate for many people, so they fall back into a comforting lie rather than face reality head on. I'm grossly oversimplifying, obviously; but trim away the fat and gristle and that's essentially what you're left with. Fear of not knowing, fear of being alone, fear of not being in control.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Who create God?
December 11, 2013 at 8:10 am
(December 11, 2013 at 7:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: Sure you do. Maybe not you personally, I'm sure you can justify your faith adequately. But all the usual questions about "who governs our lives if there is no god" and "without god, where did everything come from" etc reflect, at their core, a fear of the alternative: the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the Universe doesn't even know we're here. And that is scary to contemplate for many people, so they fall back into a comforting lie rather than face reality head on. I'm grossly oversimplifying, obviously; but trim away the fat and gristle and that's essentially what you're left with. Fear of not knowing, fear of being alone, fear of not being in control.
This is not true viwepoint from the beginning of logic.
Fear of not knowing what ? what you know ? so you know there is no God and you have proven it in a way that can not be denied by anyone . Believer people still continue to believe because they are afraid of nothing ?
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RE: Who create God?
December 11, 2013 at 8:12 am
(December 11, 2013 at 7:49 am)Stimbo Wrote: (December 11, 2013 at 7:28 am)Nineteen Wrote: We are afraid of Allah because of we believe in him .
We believe in him not because of we are afraid of him .
Sure you do. Maybe not you personally, I'm sure you can justify your faith adequately. But all the usual questions about "who governs our lives if there is no god" and "without god, where did everything come from" etc reflect, at their core, a fear of the alternative: the possibility that maybe, just maybe, the Universe doesn't even know we're here. And that is scary to contemplate for many people, so they fall back into a comforting lie rather than face reality head on. I'm grossly oversimplifying, obviously; but trim away the fat and gristle and that's essentially what you're left with. Fear of not knowing, fear of being alone, fear of not being in control. Actually, yeah, pretty much!
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Through power, I gain victory.
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RE: Who create God?
December 11, 2013 at 8:37 am
@Nineteen: not being funny, but I genuinely have no idea what you just said.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Who create God?
December 12, 2013 at 4:23 am
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(December 11, 2013 at 7:28 am)Nineteen Wrote: No need to understand the description of the description for a description of something.
This literally makes no coherent sense.
(December 11, 2013 at 7:28 am)Nineteen Wrote: So if you were found a piece of a structure on moon , for example a refrigerator or pyramid, you would think that it was designed by an entity with a mind and this would be legitimate explanation from a scientific perspective. But does not mean this perspective is wrong if you cant find the designer and this also does not mean this structures were spontaneously occurred.
Ok, let's take your 'pyramid' example. We know from experience that pyramids are made by intelligent entities (in the ancient Egyptian case: Humans). You therefore cannot use this to extrapolate to the entire universe, that is called a fallacy of composition: Using one part example and extrapolating it to the whole. We do not know from personal experience that universes require intelligent agents to bring them into existence. This is exactly like using an argument like this:
1)The Earth is in a solar system.
2)There are other solar systems.
3)Therefore there is an Earth in every solar system.
By using simple, part relationships (such as a builder to a building), and extrapolating it to something beyond it, can lead to wrong conclusions.
But I want to go further with debunking this, and I'll even give you an entire mile in this argument, given how much of a smartass I am. OK, I'll concede to your whole position: let's assume you are right, there is a 'designer'. Did he design cancer, malaria and aids?
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RE: Who create God?
December 12, 2013 at 5:19 am
(December 11, 2013 at 8:37 am)Stimbo Wrote: @Nineteen: not being funny, but I genuinely have no idea what you just said.
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