Unfortunately the atheist will have to stand up and go

[Anomalocaris]

blah, blah, blah

Why don't you go all the way choke yourself in the blood of "christ"?

[TaraJo]

No, I don't. If you'd care to tell me, in plain English, what the point is, I'm more than willing to hear it.

In plain English tell you what? What's the point regarding what? You disagree with Dostoevsky and find a fallacy in the text/quote of his? What's the point since you don't understand in asking me what's the point?

Simply this: it sounds to me like you're one of those guys who likes to go around and use complex words and phrases in an attempt to make himself sound smart. To me, it sounds like even you don't understand what Dostevsky is saying, but you're going to agree wth it since it speaks well of theists. Me, I'd like to see if you can live up to the standards Al here sets:



So, can you explain, simply, what he means?

[WashedinChristblood]

I doubt that the atheist can ever explain something simply. All you atheist do is play games with semantics and hate on Christians who are trying to save you all from an eternity of hellfire. All you atheist spend so much time fantasizing about rape and snuff porn so maybe you think hell will not be that bad. I however have seen hell in nightmares when I was struggling with doubt years ago. The LORD loved me enough to send visions of hell to keep me. To keep me in his loving embrace. In hell people are tortured and burn in fire nonstop. Demons constantly rip people's wretched and filthy flesh from their bones, which quickly regenerates so they can endure the horrible ordeal they earned through sin over and over again for eternity. Please stop killing babies in abortion clinics and allow Jesus to enter you. You will no longer live wretched meaningless hedonistic lives at the cost to those who love you. I WILL PRAY FOR ALL THE ATHEIST.

[Bad Wolf]

allow Jesus to enter you.

I sure don't like the sound of that, shame on you
And you are having a go at us for thinking about rape!

[pineapplebunnybounce]

I doubt that the atheist can ever explain something simply. All you atheist do is play games with semantics and hate on Christians who are trying to save you all from an eternity of hellfire. All you atheist spend so much time fantasizing about rape and snuff porn so maybe you think hell will not be that bad. I however have seen hell in nightmares when I was struggling with doubt years ago. The LORD loved me enough to send visions of hell to keep me. To keep me in his loving embrace. In hell people are tortured and burn in fire nonstop. Demons constantly rip people's wretched and filthy flesh from their bones, which quickly regenerates so they can endure the horrible ordeal they earned through sin over and over again for eternity. Please stop killing babies in abortion clinics and allow Jesus to enter you. You will no longer live wretched meaningless hedonistic lives at the cost to those who love you. I WILL PRAY FOR ALL THE ATHEIST.

Oh so is that the evidence you're holding on to? A nightmare?

Well, hard to believe why no one takes you seriously.

I can see why you want to think it's god, it'd be rather disturbing to think it came from yourself. But god, we all know god has a stomach for those gruesome torture methods.

[WashedinChristblood]

That is not what I meant. I meant to allow Jesus to enter into your very being to cleanse you spiritually. You atheist have the most disgusting minds. Atheist will insult Christians when they aren't in power and like Stalin you will rape and murder when you have power.

[MindForgedManacle]

"There was, they say, here on earth a thinker and philosopher. He rejected everything, 'laws, conscience, faith,' and, above all, the future life. He died; he expected to go straight to darkness and death and he found a future life before him.

Okay, this has already become stupidly retarded and self-refuting. What do you mean by 'laws'? The legal sense? If anything other than that, then it becomes nonsense. Does he reject the laws of thought? Self-refuting. Does he ignore his own moral positions? Meaningless. You can't reject everything, that's meaningless.

He was astounded and indignant. 'This is against my principles!' he said.

Contradiction. If he "rejected everything", as you just quoted Dostoevski as saying, then he had NO principles; he rejected them all.

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And he was punished for that... that is, you must excuse me, I am just repeating what I heard myself, it's only a legend... he was sentenced to walk a quadrillion kilometres in the dark (we've adopted the metric system, you know): and when he has finished that quadrillion, the gates of heaven would be opened to him and he'll be
forgiven-"
"And what tortures have you in the other world besides the quadrillion kilometres?" asked Ivan, with a strange eagerness.
"What tortures? Ah, don't ask. In old days we had all sorts, but now they have taken chiefly to moral punishments- 'the stings of conscience' and all that nonsense. We got that, too, from you, from the softening of your manners. And who's the better for it? Only those who have got no conscience, for how can they be tortured by conscience when they have none? But decent people who have conscience and a sense of honour suffer for it. Reforms, when the ground has not been prepared for them, especially if they are institutions copied from abroad, do nothing but mischief! The ancient fire was better. Well, this man, who was condemned to the quadrillion kilometres, stood still, looked round and lay down across the road. 'I won't go, I refuse on principle!' Take the soul of an enlightened Russian atheist and mix it with the soul of the prophet Jonah, who sulked for three days and nights in the belly of the whale, and you get the character of that thinker who lay across the road."
"What did he lie on there?"
"Well, I suppose there was something to lie on. You are not laughing?"
"Bravo!" cried Ivan, still with the same strange eagerness. Now he was listening with an unexpected curiosity. "Well, is he lying there now?"
"That's the point, that he isn't. He lay there almost a thousand years and then he got up and went on."
"What an ass!" cried Ivan, laughing nervously and still seeming to be pondering something intently. "Does it make any difference whether he lies there for ever or walks the quadrillion kilometres? It would take a billion years to walk it?"
"Much more than that. I haven't got a pencil and paper or I could work it out. But he got there long ago, and that's where the story begins."
"What, he got there? But how did he get the billion years to do it?"
"Why, you keep thinking of our present earth! But our present earth may have been repeated a billion times. Why, it's become extinct, been frozen; cracked, broken to bits, disintegrated into its elements, again 'the water above the firmament,' then again a comet, again a sun, again from the sun it becomes earth- and the same sequence may have been repeated endlessly and exactly the same to every detail, most unseemly and insufferably tedious-"
"Well, well, what happened when he arrived?"
"Why, the moment the gates of Paradise were open and he walked in;
before he had been there two seconds, by his watch (though to my
thinking his watch must have long dissolved into its elements on the way), he cried out that those two seconds were worth walking not a
quadrillion kilometres but a quadrillion of quadrillions, raised to
the quadrillionth power! In fact, he sang 'hosannah'."
The Brothers Karamazov by Fedor Dostoevsky

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This bit is a clusterfuck of more nonsense. It's exactly the same religious nonsense we hear from theists who are stupidly ignorant and/or arrogant, and wax on about the "darkness of atheism", and peddle ridiculous nonsense like the above. Dostoevski can't even keep his story from contradicting, and even if he did, it becomes nothing more than value-ladden nonsense and pompous superiority - with no justification - mixed with straw manning and projection.


This is why I find it nonsensical when theists show up here with questions like "what is the atheist position on X?"

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Oh someone please remind this guy what the church does when it's power isn't kept in check.

Burning witches?

Abusing children?

[WashedinChristblood]

Atheist rape the whole of humanity when you guys get the chance. Prisons from what my pastor said are full of you filthy degenerates. Human nature can only lead to selfish hedonism and cruelty. You atheist do not even know what love feels like or is. All of you therefore deserve damnation to to be eternally burnt and ravaged by demons in the ultimate fires of HELL! If you repent and get off your asses and on your filthy knees and admit you are evil and accept Christ into your hearts you can join the LORD in heaven and enjoy celebrating the majesty of the LORD with your fellows in Christ in glory forever!! Just pray and you will be amazed at the difference Jesus can make in your life.

[Silver]

Prisons from what my pastor said are full of you filthy degenerates.

I bet you did not know that the majority of prisoners identify as Christian.

All of you therefore deserve damnation to to be eternally burnt and ravaged by demons in the ultimate fires of HELL!

I genuinely feel sorry for you if that is what you believe to be the truth.

If you repent and get off your asses and on your filthy knees and admit you are evil and accept Christ into your hearts you can join the LORD in heaven and enjoy celebrating the majesty of the LORD with your fellows in Christ in glory forever!! Just pray and you will be amazed at the difference Jesus can make in your life.

I would rather reside in the world of reality than subjugate myself to the self-delusion that religion provides.