Nelson Mandela dies.

[Brian37]

Well, he was a well known-breed of a leader, a nationalist that was supported by internationalists, and what he did was basically to advocate "black" nationalism in South Africa. Don't think that he was much of a human rights activist, but more like an armed revolutionary who supported use of violence to archive their goals, which is fine by me, though why he later on went to be idolized as a human rights activist is beyond me, whereas his intentions were nothing but nationalistic in nature.
The fact that South Africa went worse after his rule does not mean that his struggle was in vain. Like, not everything in this world is money, or food. National dignitiy is sometimes more important than materialistic things.
So he set out to oust the white colonists from the rule and reinstate the Bantu-africans as the ones that call the shots. The slogans ""Kill the boer, kill the farmer" and "one settler one bullet" were chanted through his era which shows us that we were not looking at a human rights struggle, but a fine example of a race war.
Nelson Mandela was the leader of the Blacks in this war, and after he was set free and became the head of the state, attacks against boer farmers increased with each day passing.
Don't get me wrong, its really none of my business, but to mourn this man as a human rights activist is a bit too much.
And those who ought to mourn his passing are the south african Bantus, not anyone else.

Damn, HELLO, that is PART of his life and mainly the beginning of his struggle. Did he say "fuck whites" when he got out of prison? NO. He did the opposite and let the past go in the interest of peace.

Same bullshit people pull with Malcolm X. Yes Malcolm for a good portion of his activism was rejection and separation from his oppressors. But when you look at the end of his life he did change and came to the rightful conclusion that we are all in this together.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Mandela was a great man and would protect your human rights as well.

Is he in such a position to protect my human rights?
All I see is a man that fought for his own people, not mine, obviously.
Why isn't Ospan Batyr hailed as loudly as him? He led a similar struggle for independence in the Altai and Turkestan, and he was executed in Urumqi, he was killed by having his ears and arms cut off, and was not set free by foreign intervention. His name is but an obscure footnote in history solely because he lacked the necessary support in the leftist media to glorify him.
Mandela might have been a great man. But so was Ospan Batyr. If people will glorify him for sitting on his ass in a cell for 25 years, then fine by me. But Ospan Batyr spent his whole life in the highlands and steppes, facing his enemies, while he was set free because of the huge campaign that coerced the South African authorities into setting him free.
Again, not to discredit Mandela, but he was not someone that should have been made a worldwide hero. He sure is no hero of mine.
Another false idol.

[Nineteen]

This much money is interesting for a person who is a human rights defenders while people around him dying of hunger.

I dont trust him. Reminds me mercenary agents provoking the people to start the internal turmoil in the countries .

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, he was a well known-breed of a leader, a nationalist that was supported by internationalists, and what he did was basically to advocate "black" nationalism in South Africa. Don't think that he was much of a human rights activist, but more like an armed revolutionary who supported use of violence to archive their goals, which is fine by me, though why he later on went to be idolized as a human rights activist is beyond me, whereas his intentions were nothing but nationalistic in nature.
The fact that South Africa went worse after his rule does not mean that his struggle was in vain. Like, not everything in this world is money, or food. National dignitiy is sometimes more important than materialistic things.
So he set out to oust the white colonists from the rule and reinstate the Bantu-africans as the ones that call the shots. The slogans ""Kill the boer, kill the farmer" and "one settler one bullet" were chanted through his era which shows us that we were not looking at a human rights struggle, but a fine example of a race war.
Nelson Mandela was the leader of the Blacks in this war, and after he was set free and became the head of the state, attacks against boer farmers increased with each day passing.
Don't get me wrong, its really none of my business, but to mourn this man as a human rights activist is a bit too much.
And those who ought to mourn his passing are the south african Bantus, not anyone else.

Damn, HELLO, that is PART of his life and mainly the beginning of his struggle. Did he say "fuck whites" when he got out of prison? NO. He did the opposite and let the past go in the interest of peace.

Same bullshit people pull with Malcolm X. Yes Malcolm for a good portion of his activism was rejection and separation from his oppressors. But when you look at the end of his life he did change and came to the rightful conclusion that we are all in this together.

He couldn't because it was with the help of the whites outside of South Africa he got out of prison.
Though as I said before, he was part of a damn race war that was going on in South Africa. The whites were keen on preserving the status quo, and the blacks wanted to claim the status quo for themselves. Did they succeed? Obviously not, since whites still constitute the cream of South African society, which was the primary reason why the supporters of the armed struggle were using tactics such as bombs and etc.

As for Malcolm X, it was the same with him at first. HE was a Black Nationalist, a member of the Nation of Islam which was a Black nationalist organisation and when I read some of the speeches made by NOI members, including Malcolm X, I see that we agree on much on some things.
Later on, he went on to mainstream Islam and became what I call an Ummah sympathisant. But in his case, I do not attach a negative connection to it, as it suited him much better, gave him a different image than those of the NOI.
As for Mandela though, he did not undergo a sudden change of heart by himself. He was well aware that he was being glorifed abroad, and he could play on this image as the "human rights activist" although I personally think that he's nothing but a nationalist, which does not demean his life's work. Additionally he would look like an asshole if he did, and would probably break a many liberal's heart if he pursued a vengeful agenda because liberals are so full of love for their enemies, they turn the other cheek at lightning speed.
Besides, we're not in this together. Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear the death of our soldiers? Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear that our brethren have been murdered in Mosul and Kirkuk?
You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Neither do you care. This is because you only know as much and care as much as your media lets you know.

And you know, this is fine by me. We have always been alone, and we will be alone. With or without your support we yet live.
We are not in this together, every nation fends for itself. And so did Mandela, until he was turned into another false idol by a range of fools.

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This much money is interesting for a person who is a human rights defenders while people around him dying of hunger.

I dont trust him. Reminds me mercenary agents provoking the people to start the internal turmoil in the countries .

He's dead already. There is not much to tell about this. I'm pretty sure he left some of that money to the people.

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Now some people might come up to me and tell me that I'm complaining and crying because Mandela and the Blacks get more attention. That is not the case(but for some reason they are getting more attention). I'm not telling this to anyone so that they start caring about the things I talked about, they are not your burden to bear as for you to care about them. You people accuse others of being sheepish, but I think that you've been goaded into worshipping false idols that were presented before you.

[Nineteen]

He's dead already. There is not much to tell about this. I'm pretty sure he left some of that money to the people.

According to news , his two daughter are fighting with each other these days for this money. I'm not hopeful for a man who even could not teach human rights to his two daughters but trying to teach human rights to all people around the globe.

[Brian37]

Damn, HELLO, that is PART of his life and mainly the beginning of his struggle. Did he say "fuck whites" when he got out of prison? NO. He did the opposite and let the past go in the interest of peace.

Same bullshit people pull with Malcolm X. Yes Malcolm for a good portion of his activism was rejection and separation from his oppressors. But when you look at the end of his life he did change and came to the rightful conclusion that we are all in this together.

He couldn't because it was with the help of the whites outside of South Africa he got out of prison.
Though as I said before, he was part of a damn race war that was going on in South Africa. The whites were keen on preserving the status quo, and the blacks wanted to claim the status quo for themselves. Did they succeed? Obviously not, since whites still constitute the cream of South African society, which was the primary reason why the supporters of the armed struggle were using tactics such as bombs and etc.

As for Malcolm X, it was the same with him at first. HE was a Black Nationalist, a member of the Nation of Islam which was a Black nationalist organisation and when I read some of the speeches made by NOI members, including Malcolm X, I see that we agree on much on some things.
Later on, he went on to mainstream Islam and became what I call an Ummah sympathisant. But in his case, I do not attach a negative connection to it, as it suited him much better, gave him a different image than those of the NOI.
As for Mandela though, he did not undergo a sudden change of heart by himself. He was well aware that he was being glorifed abroad, and he could play on this image as the "human rights activist" although I personally think that he's nothing but a nationalist, which does not demean his life's work. Additionally he would look like an asshole if he did, and would probably break a many liberal's heart if he pursued a vengeful agenda because liberals are so full of love for their enemies, they turn the other cheek at lightning speed.
Besides, we're not in this together. Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear the death of our soldiers? Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear that our brethren have been murdered in Mosul and Kirkuk?
You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Neither do you care. This is because you only know as much and care as much as your media lets you know.

And you know, this is fine by me. We have always been alone, and we will be alone. With or without your support we yet live.
We are not in this together, every nation fends for itself. And so did Mandela, until he was turned into another false idol by a range of fools.

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This much money is interesting for a person who is a human rights defenders while people around him dying of hunger.

I dont trust him. Reminds me mercenary agents provoking the people to start the internal turmoil in the countries .

He's dead already. There is not much to tell about this. I'm pretty sure he left some of that money to the people.

---

Now some people might come up to me and tell me that I'm complaining and crying because Mandela and the Blacks get more attention. That is not the case(but for some reason they are getting more attention). I'm not telling this to anyone so that they start caring about the things I talked about, they are not your burden to bear as for you to care about them. You people accuse others of being sheepish, but I think that you've been goaded into worshipping false idols that were presented before you.

Again, as with BOTH Mandela and Malcolm X you keep ignoring their long term change in attitude. They were not the same men at the end of their lives as they were when they started those struggles.

And you can search the internet of pictures of OUR white politicians in America from Regan to McCain to Bush all pictured shaking hands and even hugging not so savory characters.

The totality of Mandela's life is what counts, not the the flaws all humans have.

[Lion IRC]

...The totality of Mandela's life is what counts, not the the flaws all humans have.

Agreed.

God weighs peoples lives in the balance.
See Daniel 5:27, Job 31:6, etc.

[Creed of Heresy]

...The totality of Mandela's life is what counts, not the the flaws all humans have.

Agreed.

God weighs peoples lives in the balance.
See Daniel 5:27, Job 31:6, etc.

*Looks up these entries*

Oh, this is from that book that begins by saying the earth was created in seven days, right?

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He did great things, but I don't think there needs to be much mourning. He was 95 its not like it was a surprise.

I have to agree. I wasn't too surprised that he died; more surprised at how many years he kept on kicking. The guy was almost a century old.

He definitely put the work in for the world's betterment. Hopefully, history is not hasty in letting his name fade from memory.

[Polaris]

I'm glad he's dead. Those selfish twits kept him living in misery when it was obvious forcing him to live was borderline criminal.

[kılıç_mehmet]

He couldn't because it was with the help of the whites outside of South Africa he got out of prison.
Though as I said before, he was part of a damn race war that was going on in South Africa. The whites were keen on preserving the status quo, and the blacks wanted to claim the status quo for themselves. Did they succeed? Obviously not, since whites still constitute the cream of South African society, which was the primary reason why the supporters of the armed struggle were using tactics such as bombs and etc.

As for Malcolm X, it was the same with him at first. HE was a Black Nationalist, a member of the Nation of Islam which was a Black nationalist organisation and when I read some of the speeches made by NOI members, including Malcolm X, I see that we agree on much on some things.
Later on, he went on to mainstream Islam and became what I call an Ummah sympathisant. But in his case, I do not attach a negative connection to it, as it suited him much better, gave him a different image than those of the NOI.
As for Mandela though, he did not undergo a sudden change of heart by himself. He was well aware that he was being glorifed abroad, and he could play on this image as the "human rights activist" although I personally think that he's nothing but a nationalist, which does not demean his life's work. Additionally he would look like an asshole if he did, and would probably break a many liberal's heart if he pursued a vengeful agenda because liberals are so full of love for their enemies, they turn the other cheek at lightning speed.
Besides, we're not in this together. Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear the death of our soldiers? Do you feel the same pain as I do when I hear that our brethren have been murdered in Mosul and Kirkuk?
You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.
Neither do you care. This is because you only know as much and care as much as your media lets you know.

And you know, this is fine by me. We have always been alone, and we will be alone. With or without your support we yet live.
We are not in this together, every nation fends for itself. And so did Mandela, until he was turned into another false idol by a range of fools.

---

He's dead already. There is not much to tell about this. I'm pretty sure he left some of that money to the people.

---

Now some people might come up to me and tell me that I'm complaining and crying because Mandela and the Blacks get more attention. That is not the case(but for some reason they are getting more attention). I'm not telling this to anyone so that they start caring about the things I talked about, they are not your burden to bear as for you to care about them. You people accuse others of being sheepish, but I think that you've been goaded into worshipping false idols that were presented before you.

Again, as with BOTH Mandela and Malcolm X you keep ignoring their long term change in attitude. They were not the same men at the end of their lives as they were when they started those struggles.

And you can search the internet of pictures of OUR white politicians in America from Regan to McCain to Bush all pictured shaking hands and even hugging not so savory characters.

The totality of Mandela's life is what counts, not the the flaws all humans have.

Totality...Well, even in that, I see nothing that makes me want to adore this man.
You people have been presented with a false idol and yet you still continue to glorify him for things that don't concern you.