Why would God?

[Esquilax]

I threatened no one with hell, the judgement is not mine to threaten with, however it would be negligent of me not to warn one of what could be.

Yawn. "It's not a threat, it's a promise! And besides, it's not me doing anything, it's god!" Oldest dodge of responsibility in the book.

You are making a statement you can not prove period, it's funny how atheist play with words to suit their needs. Because I have knowledge of God doesn't mean I have to bring demonstrable evidence to you. Sorry bub but you have failed here.

GC

By definition, knowledge is demonstrable; you can only know something that is objectively real by having an experience with it, and if you've done that you can lead others to have the same experience by replicating the steps you took. Hence, all knowledge is demonstrable. Your one objection here is merely the pissy "I don't have to demonstrate anything to you!" Which is true, but also does nothing for your credibility but lower it, and again, does not lift your claim from a belief one to a knowledge one until you do demonstrate and justify it.

You're just talking out your ass now, claiming knowledge where you can't or won't show it, and so to everyone else here, it's merely a belief. Like I said from the beginning.

[downbeatplumb]

I had a rather long answer to GC all written out, but just got came over all "what is the point?" nothing we say will permeate. He is a lost cause so fully into his delusion that nothing will shift it.

[StoryBook]

Love and justice? If he loves then why is there justice? There is no "love" in justice!

Punishment form the loving god? Why punish us for the FREE WILL he has given us? Why punish us for the sin(s) he has given us?


Honestly why are you NOT afraid of this bipolar god of yours?

There is always love in justice, if God gave us what we truly deserve then we would have something to be afraid of.
God gives no one sin people choose it over God's will. Your choice your sin.
I see no reason to be afraid of my loving God, now for those who decide to reject Him, they are the ones who should fear Him.

GC

I thought we were all born with sin and all sin are equal. Doesn't that mean god gave us sin? Doesn't that mean the little sins(I'm sure you have done) are the same as big sins and no matter what you are still sin, so going to hell?

Ok, don't be afraid of your "loving" god that will take away your "free will" to live,and send you to the the magic heaven with the free will-less angels. The unhappy slave angels that are there should make nice company

I think I will take my chances with the going to hell. Sounds a lot better(is less crowded since Satan kill less people in the bible),I think the burning is just a scare tactic of god's to make people want to be his slave.

[Severan]

Why would god make so many mistakes if he is the all powerful creator?
He made humans and everything and gave us all sin? Why?
He made all humans, so he made some gay. Why does he frown upon what he made?
He knows all, so wouldn’t he know that we would torture and kill his “son”?
He made humans so why did his son have to be born and not created?
Why would god make the devil just to have fun taunting and tempting us?


Yea I think to much,but never understood these.

I like this guy. He explains that theists are bullshit in a nice and understandable way.

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By the way, since you're new, I would like to point out that the idea of religion is as old as the human species, so why should we trust dumb-nut cavemen to do our thinking?

I am tired of Christians believing in an Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Racist, Homophobic, Sexist, Threatening Jack-ass of a god. It's not possible for something like that to exist.

Also, Christians would say that "it violates free will" for a god to come out and prove himself. However, it also violates free-will to force children into homeless families without the child's permission, and it violates free-will to answer prayers and perform miracles. It violates free will to send a man to die for our sins. MAYBE I WANT TO DIE FOR MY OWN SINS.

Now I realize that auto-correct is making christians into Christians, capitalizing the C.

Don't let christians drag you down. Keep fighting.

-Severan

[StoryBook]

Why would god make so many mistakes if he is the all powerful creator?
He made humans and everything and gave us all sin? Why?
He made all humans, so he made some gay. Why does he frown upon what he made?
He knows all, so wouldn’t he know that we would torture and kill his “son”?
He made humans so why did his son have to be born and not created?
Why would god make the devil just to have fun taunting and tempting us?


Yea I think to much,but never understood these.

I like this guy. He explains that theists are bullshit in a nice and understandable way.

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By the way, since you're new, I would like to point out that the idea of religion is as old as the human species, so why should we trust dumb-nut cavemen to do our thinking?

I am tired of Christians believing in an Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Racist, Homophobic, Sexist, Threatening Jack-ass of a god. It's not possible for something like that to exist.

Also, Christians would say that "it violates free will" for a god to come out and prove himself. However, it also violates free-will to force children into homeless families without the child's permission, and it violates free-will to answer prayers and perform miracles. It violates free will to send a man to die for our sins. MAYBE I WANT TO DIE FOR MY OWN SINS.

Now I realize that auto-correct is making christians into Christians, capitalizing the C.

Don't let christians drag you down. Keep fighting.

-Severan

Thanks and I'm a female

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Dear 19. I missed your show on Chatterbate last night and it really pisses me off because I love rimjobs. When are you next on?

[Godscreated]

You are making a statement you can not prove period, it's funny how atheist play with words to suit their needs. Because I have knowledge of God doesn't mean I have to bring demonstrable evidence to you. Sorry bub but you have failed here.

GC

By definition, knowledge is demonstrable; you can only know something that is objectively real by having an experience with it,

I've experienced God, many times, of coarse you want ever believe so.

and if you've done that you can lead others to have the same experience by replicating the steps you took. Hence, all knowledge is demonstrable.

So, you're saying you will go to church with me and follow the instructions through scripture and my personal experiences to see the demonstrable evidence. Good I expect to see you in my church in a couple of weeks, will get started after the New year so you can have your last fling. This will be great can't wait to get started, please bring your Bible, it's you instruction and study book, homework is required, sorry that's part of the experience.

Your one objection here is merely the pissy "I don't have to demonstrate anything to you!" Which is true, but also does nothing for your credibility but lower it, and again, does not lift your claim from a belief one to a knowledge one until you do demonstrate and justify it.

Actually if I knew you were going to seek out the proof I have I would not have said that, I'm getting excited about this demonstration, how about you.

You're just talking out your ass now, claiming knowledge where you can't or won't show it, and so to everyone else here, it's merely a belief. Like I said from the beginning.

Oh I'm going to show you so everyone else can see, we're going to have so much fun. Sunday School, Sunday morning Worship Service, Sunday night Worship Service, Wednesday mid-week Services and visitation every Thursday evening. Bible study every night and then prayer for an hour or so, then we can log-on to Atheist Forums.org and debate the unbelievers, yep, so much fun.

GC

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There is always love in justice, if God gave us what we truly deserve then we would have something to be afraid of.
God gives no one sin people choose it over God's will. Your choice your sin.
I see no reason to be afraid of my loving God, now for those who decide to reject Him, they are the ones who should fear Him.

GC

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I thought we were all born with sin and all sin are equal.

No one is born with sin, we are all born with the nature to sin and we all have sinned. No, all sin are not equal, the more one sins and the greater sin one commits will result in one punishing themselves more than others will, all punishment is not equal.

Doesn't that mean god gave us sin? Doesn't that mean the little sins(I'm sure you have done) are the same as big sins and no matter what you are still sin, so going to hell?

Yeah I agree you are confused, like I said before sin is your choice, God doe not tempt people into sin. I've sinned my share and enough for others also, But I'm forgiven by the grace of God through my faith in Christ's atonement for me. Like I said above there are different levels of sins but, it only takes the smallest one to be committed and go unforgiven to cause one to suffer the eternal hell, which by the way is a dark place, not a firey one.

Ok, don't be afraid of your "loving" god that will take away your "free will" to live,and send you to the the magic heaven with the free will-less angels. The unhappy slave angels that are there should make nice company

First thing you need to prove the angels are unhappy and are slaves. God will never take my free will from me, if I chose to I could reject Him at anytime.

I think I will take my chances with the going to hell. Sounds a lot better(is less crowded since Satan kill less people in the bible),I think the burning is just a scare tactic of god's to make people want to be his slave.

Doesn't work by chance, you will either spend eternity with God or in hell, hell will be plenty crowded, yet you will never see another person, you will hear there anguish in suffering though. God uses the description of fire and brimstone to describe hell because man could not understand what a terrible place hell would be like otherwise.

GC

[Esquilax]

I've experienced God, many times, of coarse you want ever believe so.

How do you know I won't ever believe? Aside from the fact that I don't find your arguments convincing now, what information about me do you have to make that assessment?

So, you're saying you will go to church with me and follow the instructions through scripture and my personal experiences to see the demonstrable evidence. Good I expect to see you in my church in a couple of weeks, will get started after the New year so you can have your last fling. This will be great can't wait to get started, please bring your Bible, it's you instruction and study book, homework is required, sorry that's part of the experience.

Oh, don't be childish. One of the premises of your religion is that anyone can come to Jesus, isn't it? Even assuming I accept any of this, I'd hardly need to come to your church to do it; you're just setting up a scenario you know I (being in another country) won't be able to fulfill, so you can crow about how unwilling I am. It's dishonest.

What I'm saying is that whatever led you to god is a set of actions that anyone could repeat, like going to a church, praying, etc etc. Like a science experiment; only I'd be quick to point out that those same actions tend to lead to different results, given how many different denominations of your religion there are, not to mention how many of us atheists were formerly a part of those.

And cue No True Scotsman from you...

Actually if I knew you were going to seek out the proof I have I would not have said that, I'm getting excited about this demonstration, how about you.

It depends on what you've got. If it's anything like a subjective demonstration, like prayer or religious personal experience, then of course we'll need to set up multiple tests, with a control group, you know, to weed out bias. Actually, multiple test groups would be better: we can get a group of christians, a group of atheists, a group of muslims and so on, and they can all take part in the demonstration you propose, and we can see just how many of them feel your specific god's influence when we do!

Now I'm excited!

Oh I'm going to show you so everyone else can see, we're going to have so much fun. Sunday School, Sunday morning Worship Service, Sunday night Worship Service, Wednesday mid-week Services and visitation every Thursday evening. Bible study every night and then prayer for an hour or so, then we can log-on to Atheist Forums.org and debate the unbelievers, yep, so much fun.

Assuming your proposed test produced statistically significant results across multiple test groups, sure!

[downbeatplumb]

Oh I'm going to show you so everyone else can see, we're going to have so much fun. Sunday School, Sunday morning Worship Service, Sunday night Worship Service, Wednesday mid-week Services and visitation every Thursday evening. Bible study every night and then prayer for an hour or so, then we can log-on to Atheist Forums.org and debate the unbelievers, yep, so much fun.

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Your path to the knowledge of god sounds a lot like brain washing.

[Esquilax]

Your path to the knowledge of god sounds a lot like brain washing.

Let the experiment results speak for themselves; it could just be necessary to get into the heaven that exists! But first we've got to actually perform the first scientific demonstration of god, since GC was kind enough to give us a method for detecting him which can be performed by groups of people, arranged by pre-existing beliefs in order to determine if what he feels is the actual truth.

I would, of course, assume that should the experiment show statistically insignificant results, across multiple separate tests, of course, that GC will at least no longer be a christian. I mean, that'd only be honest and in keeping with the protocols he himself suggested, right?