I think if we DO spawn entity AI, it will take on an unpredictable nature. The programming will be in the mechanics of the system (how "punishments" and "rewards" are processed, etc.) But the resulting personality will be unpredictable even to the programmers.
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Do computers have consciousness?
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"Do computers have consciousness?"
hm... no of course! I've rad a man who is "founder of term artificial intelligence"- John Mccarthy... he said that some dead things can look like having consciosuness, and that some machines, devices may look like alive, conscious... that they may have faith, belief or even religion... I don't what did he mean... probably he is "weak atheist"... actually Mccarthy said - "I am atheist. I think that god is like warewolf" something like that... so it means that he doesn't really care how God looks like... still... I can tell you one thing... I was talking to one man... well, his surname is Duluman, he was one of "biggest atheists in our country"... so this man even worked in artificial intelligence institute... so you know what? I showed him picture of Krishna and said - here - see - it is God, why you say He doesn't exist? He just laughed - "ha ha you can draw just anything"... but finally when he said that someone like me should be killed, and when I answered that Krishna also killed demons (though later I said - sorry you are not demon, but certainly nonbeliever, and atheist human), he died after some half a year. maybe because of old age. but he died on my birthday... so... I think this means that Krishna showed Himself as avatar in this case. yes. and probably if He showed Himself even using artificial intelligence - still it could have been proof of His existence... because - even if there is a picture of God, or some 3d object, 3d model of Krishna or other avatar - non believers will not believe it is God. they will laugh at him, and will want to kill Him... yes, they want to kill avatar... even if that is picture of God. Yes that's why they burned Bibles or scriptures. that's why Hiranyaksha stole Vedas, and that's why Varaha killed him, this asura atheist demon... so... what can I say, what I want to say... I am not sure about consciousness inside some computer-controlled avatars, gods say, does "avatar controlled"in unity3d game engine has consciousness?? John Mccarthy would say - yes...  still I am not sure... what kind of consciousness then it is? the problem is... can you say that computer program can be alive? for example. I hate a program - Microsoft Agent... yes. it can make text-to-speech synthesys... it can animate, show different events. in this very same way you can make some picture of Krishna and make acs file for Him... and you can use commands like "character(Krishna.acs)speak("give up all kinds of religions and surrender to Me")" and computer will make text to speech... does it mean that computer or microsoft agent has consciousness in this case? I think it is imitation of consciousness... yes it is imitation of human voice. or of voice of Krishna or God or some avatar... still I find one benefit in it... Duluman, that atheist said - "you - religious people - you are stealing from us atheists, and what we do - you just take it to yourselves!"... well, but it is said that there Krishna is a talent in person. Hiranyaksha wanted to kill Varaha avatara of Vishnu (say, just like atheist Duluman wanted to kill Krishna or anyone like me), and thus Krishna, Vishnu, Varaha killed him back... so, I don't know. it is interesting question to think about. I found out myself that there are two kinds of "neural networks"- - bilogical neuro net - artificial neuro network... first one is real intelligence in humans... second- is ärtificial intelligence - be it digital or biological... but... what about Krishna? say, some avatara comes to Earth. Krishna came ot Earth some 5 000 years ago... Did He have biological neuro network? probably not really. He might have super-biological network... just like there is soul - and there is supersoul, so there is consciousness and there is superconsciousness... so there is some superconsciuos neuro network... and one thing... if it is theatre, movie - some people play roles of God... not very good. it is kind of imitation... and if it is cartoon - yes it is better - some drawn characters "play roles of god etc"... but human draws it... and computer games are similar... one can draw some computer character, some 3d-avatar in unity3d, or some acs-ms-agent file... and all his actions. then press play... the difference is there of course... but what I find good and useful in all this: if some picture of God is drawn - then one can approach God in this way also... and if such God is 3d - that is even better yes? and if He is in full color - that is better isn't it? if He has some intelligent code in him/it - that is also good yes? but how to call that - artificial intelligence or not - I am not sure... but can I call some program to be consciousness?? can some program be conscious of be some artificial consciousness itself? not sure... i think answer is given by Bekmambetov: "it is reality, and we cannot control it fully". yes... so, do computers have consciousness? well, some images in computer can have consciousness, though computers do not have it... yes..  (January 24, 2014 at 10:55 am)anonymous108 Wrote: He just laughed - "ha ha you can draw just anything"... He really said that? Not a nice atheist at all, unlike the atheists around here! I do suspect though that his death was rather coincidental.
No, in addition to the problems already mentioned, computers lack another key human component self awareness/reflection and ability to generalize patterns in novel situations to define goals/commands. That is the output for a computer doesn't become new input (normally) and computers need to define each new object in their environment (a box of Wheaties is different than a box of Special K, they are not both part of the set cereal).
There is no consciousness outside of a mind.. whats wrong with people..
RE: Do computers have consciousness?
January 24, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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(January 24, 2014 at 11:15 am)Alex K Wrote: He really said that? Not a nice atheist at all, unlike the atheists around here!yes. he really said that. It was like this: on his "lecture" he had a Quran before him on a table and read a lecture that Islam is extremism. He also said that "religion is a sin", and "atheism is holy". He said that Allah killed people, and thus Allah/God is bad. So I didn't like all this. I thought - well, and what did atheists do to believers? They killed many, say, Lenin - he even ordered to kill as many priests as possible... So after his dispute-lecture with muslim leader, I came up to one young atheist (he, as far as I know, wanted to become president of Russia), so I came to him and asked - "you know, Lenin said that as many as possible priests must be killed. what do you think about it?" younger "scientific atheist" answered: "no no it i s myth. he didn't say it... though... you'ld better go to Duluman - he knows better"... So I thought - hm, he is "scientific atheist" (though I think that atheism in non scientific, only theology is real science) - and he wasn't angry... so probably i'll go with the same question and ask him same question really... well, if you want to know longer story - i can tell. just before this dispute... yes. even before that. I found some ad that there was dispute between atheists and chrisitians in polytec institute. so I missed that, but when it was dispute with muslims - I came... On advertisement of dispute betwen atheists and chrisitans there was picture: Lenin (and below is written: "Duluman, Candidate of theology, number one atheist in Ukraine, philosophy doctor") and some theologician like Thomas Aquinas (written below - catholic, theologist, side of believers, against atheist Duluman)... so. I was wondering - what is this?! Lenin was big communist and atheist, and on picture it is written - Candidate of theology (priest!). I read on internet - what is this... I found confirmation - yes Lenin indeed signed a document: "I order to mass-kill as many priests as possible". signed Lenin (founder of USSR). yes, you know that during USSR number of churches reduced 10 times, and many priests were indeed killed even during "peaceful time" (i mean outside war1, world war2 etc)... so, I had this question in my mind and came to this dispute. however. just when I came for dispute, I saw this man Duluman - you can see his picture here - http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Дулуман,_Евграф_Каленьевич it is russian but you can translate using any online (google ) translator etc... so saw him, came up to him, he gave his hand to me - shook my hand and said - hello I said - are you Duluman? he said - ÿes, don't you know!? i asked - so are you candidate of theology? duluman, atheist number one in Ukrainian Soviet republic - yes, don't you know that degrees are not taken away...? I: hm, so you believe in God? duluman: no, there is no God! there are many religions, and ther is no God in any of those religions... I said: hm... I don't understand. so you gave up christianity. Krishna whom I believe said - "give up all kinds of religions and surrender to Me"... you gave up Jesus, so accept at least Krishna instead. it is eternal religion - you can't reject religion. duluman: no no, there is no Krishna He said it. yes, he directly said : "there is no Krishna"... moreover, he said : "there is no Balarama, no Caitanya, no Nityananda". I told him they are avataras and expansions of Krishna (Balarama - His brother, of Krishna, Supreme Personality of Godhead)... so, I tried to tell him there is God, why one has to believe Him, but he instead just said - "hey, shut up! you are crazy, psycho."... and he went to read lecture... yes. so after that lecture I came to younger atheist, asked about Lenin, and then came again to Duluman. I took Bhagavad Gita As It Is by Prabhupada - and showed a page where Krishna is drawn. So I said - "here is God, Krishna, why you say there is no God? Here is HE!" Duluman just laughed at me and at Krishna! Yes, he said - "haha, anything can be drawn..." and he continued to tell about me to his atheistic friends around him. duluman said: "he came to me and said - Krishna Krishna. I tell him - and what is written in Quran? Don't you know ? but he is crazy about Krishna. I told him - "you must be put into psychiatric hospital! you are mad! there is no God! there is no soul! And I don't want even to paradise, because you want to sent us there faster , your cruel God want us to go there but we don't want. How can you believe there is heaven? did anyone returned from there? there is no soul. I'll just die and that's all, no life is after my death"... like that. So I was somewhat angry, especially on that he said that I am psychopat and must be put to psychiatric hospital... well, you know what is psychiatry? if it is in hands of atheists - they put to such hospital some believer in God, and say he is crazy and sick... sometimes they can even put one believer into prison. yes just like in communist China... Still yes, there are some Arabic countries - they may put atheists into prison instead as far as I know... so, my only natural reaction on words of this Duluman, atheist #1 at that time were - I just came up to him again and said - "you said that Allah or God is so bad that he killed many people that religion is a sin, that atheism is holy... how can you say it? is your Lenin better? Lenin ordered to kill as many priests as possible don't you know? still, you say that you are a priest... then what do you think about Lenin ordered to kill priests, including you?" Duluman just kind of angrily said: "people like you must be mass-killed!" So my natural reaction was : "Well, Krishna also killed demons"... he said - "hey go away, I don't want to talk to you! I tell you go away! don't you hear!?" So I said - Ok, I see -you are not a priest. If you are beaten on one cheeck - then you must show your second cheeck. instead you said that someone like me must be killed... certainly you are not theologician and not a priest. Your candidate of theology degree is fake. you are atheist, indeed. big one and dangerous... then I left that meeting. I chanted mantra Hare Krishna on my japa (rosary) - I didn't care it was on the street or anywhere. I just was afraid he said - number one WARFUL atheist - he said that someone like me must be mass-killed. So, certainly I opened his website - and wanted to know what is on his mind - http://sotref.com/o_proekte/1599-umer-ev...luman.html he just wrote a " letter" to me and all HareKrishnas: "you, Hare Krishnas are crazy! you are enemies of the nation! You must be killed like parasites with dust-poison DDT. If everyone will become Hare Krishna - humanity will be destroyed!" well, here is his full text: http://sotref.com/religija/1434-perepisk...aitom.html and here is google-translation for you: --- Correspondence with Hare Krishna follower 16-10-2012 12:08 - duluman - Religion | Views: 659 Answer to your written nonsense, Hare Krishna follower: You, who does not remember their relationship! You, who baptized with a cross himself into Hare Krishna, - as a clerk Grisha Otrepyev into False Dmitry I ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_Dmitriy_I )! For any dispute with me, I did not call you, do not call and will not call you to come! Before the debate with Muslims at the Kiev Polytechnic University September 27, 2012, after listening to your bullshit, I spotted you as silent-psychopat and recommend you contact a psychiatrist. you posted your Hare Krishna delusional comment to my articles on my site http://www.sotref.com (freedom from religious fundamentalism) . To readers of my site, so they do not think something bad about my healthy commentators, I deleted your comments and will continue to do so . And if in the moment of an attack of ideo-syncrazy you will go on to preach your religion, I will automatically ban the appearance of any of your delusional thoughts on my atheistic site. If you want to communicate with me - "in the days of painful reflection" (Turgenev [email protected] . I can not promise to answer you, but always at least will make a cross-look of what you preach. In the outpouring of your delirium in your letter to me you mention your companion on the sacred prasadam Odzhasvi Das and you are angry that I called him and all the Krishna as parasites. I'll try to argue my old idea for you. I asked Odzhasvi Das, - for what bucks/money do Hare Krishnas, who are not engaged in socialistically-useful and, accordingly, paid work, do exist in the human society? Odzhasvi Das confirmed that they really do not work anywhere, do nothing to the society - either materially nor spiritually Wiki: ]]]] - nothing useful do they produce, and exist only on handouts/begging and on what someone or God will send to them. I called him and now call you and all your community - Hare Krishnas - patented parasites! You do not give anything to society and in the coming future are not going work at all. To maintain your existence, you shamelessly take from the public treasure - for nothing, for free, - created by not your hard work - you take material and spiritual benefits, - and you do not personally do not work and invest in return only nothing into public basket of wealth . So how to call you, Hare Krishnas, after all this? Parasites! Shaped, formed parasites! Vile parasites! If everyone will become Hare Krishnas - society will perish, and human race will cease to exist! You are vicious enemies of society! Enemies of the people! In name of communist's goodness, in the name of atheists procreation, you should be mass-destroyed - just like bugs with poison. However, bedbugs do adapt to poisonous religion... So Maybe Hare Krishnas, like bugs, do adopt themselves to situation that there will be no more human race because of them? ... Below I will post your preaching as an objective self-criticism of Hare-Krishnas. For visitors of my site, it is the first and the last time I publish Hare Krishna written nonsense as proof of their miscommunication and insanity. Read and understand destructive and void HareKrishna inconsistency. Be aware of the damage incurred by them, Krishna-ism - one of the many kinds of religious obscurantism. This is harmful to the individual and society, and just like all other religions - it is same religious obscurantism, just in different package, in other words - all religion in general and each religion separately are obscurantism . In conclusion, I can wish you just nothing. - Evgraf Kalenievich Duluman, priest-atheist number #1 in Ukrainian Soviet republic, candidate of theology, philosophy doctor, scientific ethical warful atheist, marxist-leninist -- see... this letter was directed/addressed to me.. i want to know your comments... yes, after this even, there was a big snow in our city - snow was some meter or more high. just like no other years in probably century... maybe because demigods poured rains finally this Duluman died. I met him once more - told him that it is all right if believers in God would be in government, but he didn't care - just said : "no God, and is not expected!" he also said : "someone like you must be taken to court!" I answered: " well, it is you who must be taken to court because you say there is no Krishna, who is Supreme God! Krishna is Yamaraja, death personified and he will come to you, you'll see!"... (something in quotes I changed - according to what I thought or probably said in other time, also same with Duluman) (January 24, 2014 at 11:15 am)Alex K Wrote: He really said that? Not a nice atheist at all, unlike the atheists around here!so you wonder did he say it? yes. i told whole story.. he was crazy. it is said in his biography, that after 7 years in theology academy, he divorced with religion, and was officially anathemed by Russian Orthodox Church with others in end of 1950-es|60-es Duluman was then one of main figures on "scientific atheism cathedra", he worked in institute of atheism, and he also managed atheistic society (maybe with others whom I don't know or who died earlier). So he took out of church/religion - as he said - some few/several thousands priests!!! this kind of atheist was he!!! so I was really scared of him saying " someone like you must be killed"... I prayed to Krishna, and it seems Krishna answered my prayers and killed Duluman on my birthday ;-) http://sotref.com/o_proekte/1599-umer-ev...luman.html when he died some people also said - "atheist from God died"... (January 24, 2014 at 11:15 am)Alex K Wrote: He really said that? Not a nice atheist at all, unlike the atheists around here!I don't know about atheists here... this Duluman on lecture said that he is ethical atheist, not "hooligan atheist"... though personally when I spoke to him - he showed his demoniac side and said that I must be killed. So he got his result - he was killed by death for death - by Krishna. was it coincidence... I don't know. don't really think so... probably he was thinking about me so much, that he couldn't tolerate by birthday, and thus he died that very day... his "meditation" on Krishna on that day killed him... and it seems he got worse birth in afterlife... he could probably degraded to some lower species of life like animals, parasites, plants, trees, or even go to lower planets like hellish planets. who knows? he told there is no Krishna and someone like me must be killed... In his talk to Ojasvi he said that he, Duluman, would enjoy another reincarnations even for millions of times... see how fool is he? he will get his millions of rebirthes in stupid forms of life! no it is not coincidence... well he was old. that is the only coincidence which could killed him... and was sick - he looked and felt like snake/python... disgusting type of person I'ld tell to any theist/idealist... Hare Krishna (January 24, 2014 at 3:05 pm)truthBtold Wrote: There is no consciousness outside of a mind.. whats wrong with people.. and what about picture of Krishna? if this picture killed atheist, then probably it means this picture of Krishna is avatar of Krishna, and also has mind and consciousness? http://hariharji.blogspot.com/2013/09/sh...econd.html http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-SZT-nVoGo2M/Uk...nu-lg3.jpg does this picture has mind/consciousness??  RE: Do computers have consciousness?
January 24, 2014 at 5:29 pm
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