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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 1:30 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 12:49 am)Chad32 Wrote: The idea of Satan convincing a bunch of angels to turn away from Yahwen makes me curious. What exactly did he say? Any good lie must contain some kernel of truth to be believed. To convince someone that their life can be improved through change, they must be discontent in some way. In what way was heaven lacking enough that a third of the population could be convinced to rock the boat?
I would think that if your going against a omnipotent Being you either have a reason that makes self sacrifice okay with you or your dumb as a box of rocks.
If I remember my theology rightly, angels were fashioned to be servitors of God. Maybe autonomy isn't their strong suit, and it only took one dumbass to lead a flock of them down the primrose path. Kinda like your average Christian today. (In fairness, the whole bit about angels and the Morning Star was a late development in Judaism, during the apocalyptic period. The first real modern variants of the lore emerges in Maccabees and Enoch.)
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 1:34 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:30 am)rasetsu Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 1:10 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I would think that if your going against a omnipotent Being you either have a reason that makes self sacrifice okay with you or your dumb as a box of rocks.
If I remember my theology rightly, angels were fashioned to be servitors of God. Maybe autonomy isn't their strong suit, and it only took one dumbass to lead a flock of them down the primrose path. Kinda like your average Christian today. (In fairness, the whole bit about angels and the Morning Star was a late development in Judaism, during the apocalyptic period. The first real modern variants of the lore emerges in Maccabees and Enoch.)
I still think it means Satan is a hero or a fucktard.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
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That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 1:41 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:34 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 1:30 am)rasetsu Wrote: If I remember my theology rightly, angels were fashioned to be servitors of God. Maybe autonomy isn't their strong suit, and it only took one dumbass to lead a flock of them down the primrose path. Kinda like your average Christian today. (In fairness, the whole bit about angels and the Morning Star was a late development in Judaism, during the apocalyptic period. The first real modern variants of the lore emerges in Maccabees and Enoch.)
I still think it means Satan is a hero or a fucktard.
Funny how all the supernatural characters in the bible have the character and ethics of late bronze age assholes. I wonder what it means.
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 1:50 am
(January 11, 2014 at 1:41 am)rasetsu Wrote: (January 11, 2014 at 1:34 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I still think it means Satan is a hero or a fucktard.
Funny how all the supernatural characters in the bible have the character and ethics of late bronze age assholes. I wonder what it means.
Well if god was created in the image of avman, I wonna go back in time and give that dude some weed.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 10:02 am
He wasn't really all powerful in the old testament, anyway. Being defeated by iron chariots, and having his authority threatened by a tower. Though Satan as a specific person instead of a title didn't really exist in the old testament either.
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 11:38 am
(January 11, 2014 at 12:49 am)Chad32 Wrote: The idea of Satan convincing a bunch of angels to turn away from Yahwen makes me curious. What exactly did he say? Any good lie must contain some kernel of truth to be believed. To convince someone that their life can be improved through change, they must be discontent in some way. In what way was heaven lacking enough that a third of the population could be convinced to rock the boat?
Yes indeed, these beings supposedly not only knew that god was "real" but had lived with him as a colleague and knew of his power and still rebelled against him.
The jews of Moses again had direct experience of gods power and still rejected him, (golden calf) so I can only conclude that god aint all that.
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 11:43 am
Quote:It was at a Pentecostal church.
Well that figures!
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 11:52 am
Yeah, it's kind of odd about Moses' followers. they didn't even wait until after they spent forty years in the desert before they started complaining. Not that I think they should have been killed for breaking a commandment they hadn't received yet, but why would they start complaining about being in the wilderness right after seeing such power for themselves?
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RE: Demons?
January 11, 2014 at 12:35 pm
(January 11, 2014 at 11:52 am)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, it's kind of odd about Moses' followers. they didn't even wait until after they spent forty years in the desert before they started complaining. Not that I think they should have been killed for breaking a commandment they hadn't received yet, but why would they start complaining about being in the wilderness right after seeing such power for themselves?
Exodus 32...
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RE: Demons?
January 13, 2014 at 1:01 am
(January 11, 2014 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:It was at a Pentecostal church.
Well that figures!
What do you have against Pentecostal Churches? 
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