Christians, your God cannot be Perfect.

[Ryantology]

What definition of 'perfect' accounts for a genocidal psychopath?

Answer: the one conceived by lesser, subordinate psychopaths.

[xr34p3rx]

its not a matter of semantics
its rational thinking

let me emphasize: he was saying that in order for something to be perfect, his outcome must also come to be perfect.
If the painting is bad, then its a bad painter, but if a painting is good, then the painter is good.

make sense?

When does 'rational thinking' exclude the context of a given passage when said thinking is to be focused on said passage?

If the passage is not written in English and the English only interpretation reveals a paradox of some kind then rational thinking dictates a need to examine the passage in its orginal form therefore semantics are needed for proper exegesis?

The only 'rational' reason to exclude 'semantics' when one comes across a contradiction or paradox is the preservation of said contradiction or paradox as a way to change the meaning of a given text. As such your efforts cease to be 'rational' by definition, and then wander into the realm of propaganda or even out right lies.

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To put it another way: God is defined as the greatest conceivable being; therefore everything else that exists is less than the greatest conceivable being. But if all actuality is created by God and less than the greatest, God's acts aren't the greatest and therefore an even greater conceivable being could exist: a being that only creates the greatest conceivable beings.

-or if one filters this paradox through what is actually written about God in the bible it would read as follows:

God is perfect in that He is complete and lacks nothing. He can/has created beings and places as complete as He is complete. Yet has seen fit to give said beings an oppertunity to either remain complete or fall from this embodiment of completion.

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My god was not able to translate his own language into English.

Poor cinny still struggles with basic comprehension of the way things are translated. Do you need me to go over it again with you?

again, semantic dodge, either way they are translated at best to our language and still fall back as a fairy tale

[Drich]

Syntax, grammer, and colloquialisms given cultures use are sometimes not valid or are not found in the lexicon of another people or language. Meaning one has two options when translating. To 1) translate as literally as possiable adhearing to the grammer and syntax of the langauge the text is being translated into. -or- 2) To do a contextual translation. A contextual translation is where someone takes what is written and explains it in his own words. The problem with doing this with a book like the bible (because it is not only a different language but a completely different culture with many many facits is that what one will have at the end of a contextual translation is a book built on the authors personal beliefs.

Now that said there are version of the bible that are contextual and by nature are only used in certain denominations. But most popular translations are what are considered as literal, which means much of the intended meaning is lost if one only looks at the english. This is not a God fault, this is general ignorance of how language and different culture works, coupled with the idea that the world speaks or should speak english.

The reality of the situation is the world does not speak english, and the bible was not written in english therefore we must look to the orginal language inorder to properly discern in intended meaning. Just like we would with any other written material when what is written is in conflict.

[Chad32]

Actually it kind of is Yahweh's fault, since he chose a medium that changes so much over time. Now if everyone was born with the inherent ability to read a certain language, and the books were written in that language, we wouldn't need translators at all. Now I'm not sure what the best method would be to get his word across, unless he actually was on earth in the flesh, and you could talk to him and get it straight out of his mouth. Unfortunately we can't do that, so we have denominations upon denominations who have to choose between a dozen or so different versions of the holy book. All saying they have it right, and many saying they have a personal relationship with their deity.

Which is hard to believe. I have a personal relationship with my mother, and I don't get into discussions with my sister on how she wants us to live our lives, because she really does talk to us directly.

But instead of that, Yahweh spoke to some jews, who got around to writing stuff down about 3000 years ago, and then groups split off to make islam and christianity, and they all worship the same guy, more or less, but have conflicting views on how to do it.

[truthBtold]

Actually it kind of is Yahweh's fault, since he chose a medium that changes so much over time. Now if everyone was born with the inherent ability to read a certain language, and the books were written in that language, we wouldn't need translators at all. Now I'm not sure what the best method would be to get his word across, unless he actually was on earth in the flesh, and you could talk to him and get it straight out of his mouth. Unfortunately we can't do that, so we have denominations upon denominations who have to choose between a dozen or so different versions of the holy book. All saying they have it right, and many saying they have a personal relationship with their deity.

Which is hard to believe. I have a personal relationship with my mother, and I don't get into discussions with my sister on how she wants us to live our lives, because she really does talk to us directly.

But instead of that, Yahweh spoke to some jews, who got around to writing stuff down about 3000 years ago, and then groups split off to make islam and christianity, and they all worship the same guy, more or less, but have conflicting views on how to do it.

UMM. CAN SOMEONE DEFINE A DEITY??

[Chad32]

A supernatural entity that's more powerful than humans. Be it a creator god, or just a god of wine and festivals.

[Esquilax]

The reality of the situation is the world does not speak english, and the bible was not written in english therefore we must look to the orginal language inorder to properly discern in intended meaning. Just like we would with any other written material when what is written is in conflict.

So what you're essentially saying is that the bible has been translated so poorly that some passages reflect incorrect information, from a communique that I assume the people doing the translation believe is the architect of creation, and that their response to such an incorrect translation is to not fix it at all, and to let singular people like yourself "correct" it?

Because, you know, we have translations of other works in every kind of media you care to think of, and generally speaking a halfway competent localization team can manage to release an english-language product that doesn't do that...

To me, what I see is that I can get freaking anime with a decent translation, and yet you're saying that one of the most popular books in all of literature gets the shaft, despite taking on literally religious importance for at least some of the people doing the translating?

It looks to me to be handwaving to cover for a problem in your biblical narrative, here.

[truthBtold]

A supernatural entity that's more powerful than humans. Be it a creator god, or just a god of wine and festivals.

Those are the attributes. Try again....

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Im not getting an answer to... define a deity?.. not attributes. . Any takers??

[Chad32]

What do you want me to use to define it? It's either what it does, or what it looks like, and what it looks like is humanoid. Define a chair for me, to give me an example.

[truthBtold]

Sorry.. are u an atheist or theist??