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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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(January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Pope Leo Decrapio Wrote: There certainly is alot of beauty out there for it to all happen accidently. Dont you think?
So many problems with this sentence, I don't know where to begin...
First of all, the entire sentence is one big argument from ignorance fallacy.
Second, 'accidentally' does not describe the process. The process is 'natural selection'. Please notice the word 'selection'.
Third, how about all the ugliness 'out there'? Does that prove the process wasn't guided?
Forth, not all creatures see beauty in the same things. You're looking at the world (at least the parts you think are beautiful) through the eyes of an organism that has evolved to perceive those things as beautiful.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 4:32 pm
I have already conclusively disproved the existence of God, right here on this board. Do try and keep up.
http://atheistforums.org/post-563753.html#pid563753
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 4:33 pm
(January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Pope Leo Decrapio Wrote: Well what is responsible for the evolutionary process?
It's a by product of existence, there is nothing "responsible".
Quote:There might be a God, it just means maybe he is a jerk who chooses to hide himself and makes no sense.
Or there isn't a god. which is the tack I'm taking.
Quote:There certainly is alot of beauty out there for it to all happen accidently. Dont you think?
No.
Quote:Do you have a vagina? If not, the post you quoted was not meant for you.
I don't care.
see what a rebel I am.
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 4:54 pm
(January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Pope Leo Decrapio Wrote: (January 22, 2014 at 4:08 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Only if it was something that conforms to a predefined definition of a god. Otherwise you would be calling the evolutionary process a "god" which it isn't.
Well what is responsible for the evolutionary process?
There might be a God, it just means maybe he is a jerk who chooses to hide himself and makes no sense.
There certainly is alot of beauty out there for it to all happen accidently. Dont you think?
Do you have a vagina? If not, the post you quoted was not meant for you.
Nature is nature; it doesn't care if its beautiful or not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If god made the world to be beautiful, why do some places look nicer than others? Why do some people prefer different places to others? Not everyone has the same notion of beauty which is a bit odd if a supreme being made everything to be beautiful, but have differing levels of beauty which not all of the things he created can agree on. Kinds of contradicts the "supreme" part of the notion of god, doesn't it?
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 5:05 pm
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If you want to be taken seriously, I suggest that you change your tone and visual representation of your posts. Prove to me that you're not a troll. My patience is wearing thin.
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 5:51 pm
We have names for all the things of the universe. If you think god is the universe, then why call it god?
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 6:03 pm
Quote:There certainly is alot of beauty out there for it to all happen accidently. Dont you think?
Being amazed that human beings, animals who have evolved to live in the universe, find the universe beautiful is roughly akin to walking into a clothing warehouse and being amazed at all the pretty frocks.
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 6:10 pm
(January 22, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Pope Leo Decrapio Wrote: There certainly is alot of beauty out there for it to all happen accidently. Dont you think?
Third, how about all the ugliness 'out there'? Does that prove the process wasn't guided?
Forth, not all creatures see beauty in the same things. You're looking at the world (at least the parts you think are beautiful) through the eyes of an organism that has evolved to perceive those things as beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPriOQkKd6k
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 6:49 pm
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(January 22, 2014 at 4:15 pm)Beccs Wrote: I can't prove that Cyril the Space Wombat isn't orbiting Saturn, either.
That doesn't mean I'm going to start believing in him.
Of course, the religious can't prove there's a god, either.
I'll ignore the rest of the references.
Well half of the world doesnt believe that about Cyril.
Now it isnt just Christians Jews and Muslims that believe in God. I've also heard hindus, buddhists, new agers, Diests, and other religions speak of God.
Some Scientists refer to "God" or "acts of God" for that which cannot be medically or scientifically explained (including miracles).
So the word God is a very vague term. If you add Catholics, Protestants, Non denoms, Muslims, and Jews, that is more than half the world's population.
These are the monotheistic "people of the book", but there are countless millions of believers in God who are not people of the book
Hindus make up another nearly 1/6 of the worlds population. Anyhow, the vast majority of the World believes in God and so I think they should have as much credibility as those who know with certainty that God doesnt exist.
Since you cant know with certainty that all those billions of "superstitious fools" are erroneous morons, why be so militantly against the idea of God?
(Sorry if my grammar sucks ass. No im not! Im 26 years old and an apathetic douchebag when it comes to such things.)
Also, if you think im a troll, that really makes me wanna put a twelve gage to my head. Nothing makes me wanna douse myself in holy water and do something to earn a plenary indulgence more than to wake up in the morning knowing that someone on the Internet thinks im a troll.
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RE: You cant prove there isnt a God
January 22, 2014 at 6:58 pm
It doesn't really matte how many people believe in something, especially when they don't all have one view on what that thing is or does, unless you have some concrete evidence. Otherwise we'll all have to start believing in dragons and vampires and stuff.
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