Posts: 5598
Threads: 112
Joined: July 16, 2012
Reputation:
74
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 5:47 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2014 at 5:47 pm by Ryantology.)
(January 27, 2014 at 4:58 pm)MitchBenn Wrote: As I said on an earlier thread, I was born and raised in a secular household; I've only ever seen religion from the outside. Seen from the outside religion just looks silly.
I'm British. Britain abolished the death penalty some years before I was born. I've only ever seen the death penalty from the outside. Seen from the outside the death penalty just looks barbaric.
I was raised in Virginia, which is the runner-up to Texas in executions most years. My viewpoint on the matter has evolved, but it's no less barbaric from the inside.
Chad32 Wrote:Might as well get rid of the justice system too, if we're going to get into extremes.
We're talking about revenge killing in the disguise of justice. That's as extreme as it gets.
Posts: 2009
Threads: 2
Joined: October 8, 2012
Reputation:
26
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 6:12 pm
Do I, as an atheist believe in capital punishment?
Yes, I do believe it exists....
Posts: 1572
Threads: 26
Joined: September 18, 2013
Reputation:
10
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 6:18 pm
Gah! Half remembered article from a couple of years ago... Googling it suggests majority of studies show no significant difference.
However what I remember of the article's argument suggested that executions "normalised killing" (state leading by example) which led to an increased murder rate in states where the death penalty is carried out.
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
- Esquilax
Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
Posts: 3022
Threads: 34
Joined: May 11, 2013
Reputation:
30
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 6:19 pm
(January 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Might as well execute any violent criminal, then.
There is a big difference between a violent crime and murder.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
Posts: 438
Threads: 4
Joined: August 11, 2013
Reputation:
23
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:22 pm
(January 27, 2014 at 4:46 pm)KUSA Wrote: Why even put them in prison then? They might be innocent. You wouldn't want to lock up an innocent person would you?
I see you have no capacity to reason whatsoever. You're invested in your position and ill-equipped to argue in favor of it. I shan't waste further time.
Posts: 5598
Threads: 112
Joined: July 16, 2012
Reputation:
74
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:25 pm
(This post was last modified: January 27, 2014 at 7:30 pm by Ryantology.)
(January 27, 2014 at 6:19 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (January 27, 2014 at 4:44 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: Might as well execute any violent criminal, then.
There is a big difference between a violent crime and murder.
Not always. Plenty of people who mess other people up so much that they might as well be dead. Plenty of people who kill while only intending to rough them up. A person who finds physical assault acceptable stands close to a fine line across from a person who finds killing acceptable.
(January 27, 2014 at 4:46 pm)KUSA Wrote: Why even put them in prison then? They might be innocent. You wouldn't want to lock up an innocent person would you?
Absolutely not, but imprisonment, unlike capital punishment, can be rectified if it is applied mistakenly.
Posts: 9176
Threads: 76
Joined: November 21, 2013
Reputation:
40
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:27 pm
That really depends on how long they've been in jail.
Posts: 5598
Threads: 112
Joined: July 16, 2012
Reputation:
74
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:30 pm
(January 27, 2014 at 4:41 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Yai i'm alive! But what about all the money spent to keep a person in prison for the rest of their life? I assume thats what you want to do rather then release them? Imagine how much money could be saved!
Killing a human being just to save a few bucks is repulsive to me. We spend far more to imprison non-violent offenders.
Quote:I don't think the death penalty is revenge, its justice and balance. A serial killer who has killed loads of people doesn't deserve death, thats too easy. I would prefer that he spend life in jail and suffer and possibly feel some remorse but its just not practical any more. I'm always the functionalist!
"An eye for an eye" is justice for barbarians.
Posts: 6946
Threads: 26
Joined: April 28, 2012
Reputation:
83
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:31 pm
Capital punishment?
Only if Giordano Bruno lights the match.
Posts: 5598
Threads: 112
Joined: July 16, 2012
Reputation:
74
RE: Do atheist belive in capital punishment
January 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm
(January 27, 2014 at 7:27 pm)Chad32 Wrote: That really depends on how long they've been in jail.
Which is why a government which imprisons an innocent person for a long time should make every effort to either help that person reintegrate to society or provide for that person for the remainder of their lives.
|