If you like and/or believe in Jesus of the BIBLE...

[Edwardo Piet]

[Tiberius]

Some mighty claims there. Unfortunately your Bible verses have no books, so it's hard to verify them. Perhaps you could edit your post and make sure you put which books the quotes come from?

[Edwardo Piet]

Some mighty claims there. Unfortunately your Bible verses have no books, so it's hard to verify them. Perhaps you could edit your post and make sure you put which books the quotes come from?

Ok, but give me a sec it'll take a while.

EDIT: All done

[FutureAndAHope]

I thought you people are suposed to be more factual and scientific than the average person. However that post shows clearly that you are just as emotive as the rest of us. AS an example:

780. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

The facts are Jesus did not defend himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children. Infact he did not even bring up the topic. The fact is if you really read your bible you would know of another story of the woman caught in adultery. The scribs demanded she be put to death (according to the law) Jesus who knew the law better than them all said "He who is with out sin can cast the first stone", so they one by one left from the oldest first to the youngest. The law was preventative, the fear generated by the law kept people from being disobedient. Once the law was broken there was no point any more in the commandment. Jesus said "I have come into the world not to judge the world but that the world through me might have life". Gods very purpose is one of salvation, not judgement. There will be a day of judgement but that day is not here.

As another example when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant he was called righteous for the choice to put her away quietly, i.e. not requiring a death penalty. He chose to do a cover up job essentually, not making a fuss or a scene.

[Edwardo Piet]

I thought you people are suposed to be more factual and scientific than the average person. However that post shows clearly that you are just as emotive as the rest of us. AS an example:

780. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

The facts are Jesus did not defend himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children. Infact he did not even bring up the topic. The fact is if you really read your bible you would know of another story of the woman caught in adultery. The scribs demanded she be put to death (according to the law) Jesus who knew the law better than them all said "He who is with out sin can cast the first stone", so they one by one left from the oldest first to the youngest. The law was preventative, the fear generated by the law kept people from being disobedient. Once the law was broken there was no point any more in the commandment. Jesus said "I have come into the world not to judge the world but that the world through me might have life". Gods very purpose is one of salvation, not judgement. There will be a day of judgement but that day is not here.

As another example when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant he was called righteous for the choice to put her away quietly, i.e. not requiring a death penalty. He chose to do a cover up job essentually, not making a fuss or a scene.

And you do not seem to understand that I never claimed anything. I never said that I knew any of this to be true. I even said "if the following is true".
I didn't even claim the whole Jesus is not such a nice guy, or a great role model thing, how I said it would probably atleast give the impression that I believe it however, and I would say that I do believe that. And I think the only quote I do probably agree with, atleast somewhat, is the first quote.
So, about the first quote, I think one of 'the four horsemen' said that Jesus basically was not against the old testament. He didn't come to change it, or even improve it, but to preach it.
Also, I think I heard Harris say that Jesus was not against slavery. Pretty backward for our supposed savior (if this was/is true) don't you think?
I never claimed I knew anything.
You seem to criticize me for assuming that the quotes are true. But I never claimed I thought the quotes were true. So you are the one who has made an assumption.
I said "if the following is true", and the topic header clearly states that I'm talking about the Jesus of the bible. So I'm talking about how the bible portrays him. I never said these quotes were scientific in anyway.
I don't think the bible is scientific, I think its a work of fiction.
So once more, I repeat, I never claimed I knew anything. And I made it very clear that I was talking about the Jesus of the bible.
I even put that in topic header for Christ sake. And I put the word 'bible' in capitals. Jesus.

[FutureAndAHope]

You seem to criticize me for assuming that the quotes are true. But I never claimed I thought the quotes were true. So you are the one who has made an assumption.

Sorry if I made an assumption, it just pays to have a little more care when quoting statments, that is all I meant. Some nebie might believe all that stuff when most of it is just nothing close to the character of God.

[Edwardo Piet]

You seem to criticize me for assuming that the quotes are true. But I never claimed I thought the quotes were true. So you are the one who has made an assumption.

Sorry if I made an assumption, it just pays to have a little more care when quoting statments, that is all I meant. Some nebie might believe all that stuff when most of it is just nothing close to the character of God.

Well christians believe crazy stuff anyway, so why would it make any difference? Besides, what is your interpretation of all of these quotes?
I accept your apology anyways.