Is Satan shown lying in the bible?

[truthBtold]

Hey GC u want me to fall down in a pasture?? How bout the one where the Shepards were tending their sheep in the pasture and when they saw the star in the east.. funny that jesus wasn't born on xmas when we know that sheep are not outside roaming in the winter...

[ronedee]

Think about it.. this god that is all powerful, all knowing, and all that other garbage... picks a tree with fruit on it to decide where the world goes from there.. really.. this shit makes children's books look like hard to read stereo instructions.

Well genius... what if the "deed" was unexplainable, to us lesser geniuses? What if the act was too complex to comprehend? Or, maybe even as simple as a word?

Does it really matter in what manner we transgressed the Lord our God?

No..... What matters most is that we did, and WE KEEP DOING IT! We sin every day of our lives, in a multitude of wrong "deeds".

The bigger story is about us making it "right" with Him. He paid the wage for putting sin, and death in front of us through Jesus! Now we need to acknowledge His total love and commitment to us, with our love for Him.

Stop kicking the fenders on a Galactic Starship!

[Chad32]

Yes, it matters. It all matters. That's what justice is. You can't have a guy that proclaims he's the biggest baddest thing in existence, claim he's loving, merciful, just, and all that, claim we're all horrible people and his way is the only way, and expect everyone to just take his word for it. Especially when he works through followers and a faulty book, instead of actually showing up and really explaining himself.

No, I'm not highly impressed with him sacrificing himself to himself to save us from an eternity of punishment that he made for those who don't follow him. Especially when he doesn't seem to have sacrificed anything at all.

[Godscreated]

Hey GC u want me to fall down in a pasture?? How bout the one where the Shepards were tending their sheep in the pasture and when they saw the star in the east.. funny that jesus wasn't born on xmas when we know that sheep are not outside roaming in the winter...

Pathetic, no one says Christ was born at Christmas, the star you speak of was not seen by the shepherds the night Jesus was born, one good reason is because it hadn't appeared yet. The wise men could very well have visited Jesus on Dec. 25th that would be over a year later. Now as for sheep being outside in the winter especially in a climate that does not see much cold weather, the sheep around here stay outside all winter and we have some cold weather. Guess you forgot they grow their own coats, what do the people in you area do with their sheep in the winter, bring them in the house and put them in a warm bed.

GC

[truthBtold]

Think about it.. this god that is all powerful, all knowing, and all that other garbage... picks a tree with fruit on it to decide where the world goes from there.. really.. this shit makes children's books look like hard to read stereo instructions.

Well genius... what if the "deed" was unexplainable, to us lesser geniuses? What if the act was too complex to comprehend? Or, maybe even as simple as a word?

Does it really matter in what manner we transgressed the Lord our God?

No..... What matters most is that we did, and WE KEEP DOING IT! We sin every day of our lives, in a multitude of wrong "deeds".

The bigger story is about us making it "right" with Him. He paid the wage for putting sin, and death in front of us through Jesus! Now we need to acknowledge His total love and commitment to us, with our love for Him.

Stop kicking the fenders on a Galactic Starship!

Genius,yes I am.. the act was not complex.. and this word sin u use, umm yeah.. I dont give 2 shits what u think sin is.. keep on put yourself down with this childs gibberish! I dont need to make anything right with ur fairy tail garbage.. u say jesus was sacrificed, a little torture for 3 hrs. And now living next to daddy.. what sacrifice is that.. what does god look like? Describe it physically? Ur god says believe in me or go to hell! NO UR GOD CAN GO TO HELL.

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Hey GC u want me to fall down in a pasture?? How bout the one where the Shepards were tending their sheep in the pasture and when they saw the star in the east.. funny that jesus wasn't born on xmas when we know that sheep are not outside roaming in the winter...

Pathetic, no one says Christ was born at Christmas, the star you speak of was not seen by the shepherds the night Jesus was born, one good reason is because it hadn't appeared yet. The wise men could very well have visited Jesus on Dec. 25th that would be over a year later. Now as for sheep being outside in the winter especially in a climate that does not see much cold weather, the sheep around here stay outside all winter and we have some cold weather. Guess you forgot they grow their own coats, what do the people in you area do with their sheep in the winter, bring them in the house and put them in a warm bed.

GC

What planet u from? Uranus?? . yes.. we even wash their feetseees!!!

[Godscreated]

Yes, it matters. It all matters. That's what justice is. You can't have a guy that proclaims he's the biggest baddest thing in existence, claim he's loving, merciful, just, and all that, claim we're all horrible people and his way is the only way,

God's way is the only way, the only way to eternal life, this is what God is saying. He says that man's way is the only way, the only way to eternal punishment, Satan and his demons have already made their way and their sentence if fixed. Man has a choice still, God's way or his.

and expect everyone to just take his word for it. Especially when he works through followers and a faulty book, instead of actually showing up and really explaining himself.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else ha all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

No, I'm not highly impressed with him sacrificing himself to himself to save us from an eternity of punishment that he made for those who don't follow him. Especially when he doesn't seem to have sacrificed anything at all.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him. We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

GC

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Pathetic, no one says Christ was born at Christmas, the star you speak of was not seen by the shepherds the night Jesus was born, one good reason is because it hadn't appeared yet. The wise men could very well have visited Jesus on Dec. 25th that would be over a year later. Now as for sheep being outside in the winter especially in a climate that does not see much cold weather, the sheep around here stay outside all winter and we have some cold weather. Guess you forgot they grow their own coats, what do the people in you area do with their sheep in the winter, bring them in the house and put them in a warm bed.

GC

What planet u from? Uranus?? . yes.. we even wash their feetseees!!!

Your intelligence is showing up, avoidance is your strong point.

GC

[Chad32]

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Yes, it matters. It all matters. That's what justice is. You can't have a guy that proclaims he's the biggest baddest thing in existence, claim he's loving, merciful, just, and all that, claim we're all horrible people and his way is the only way,

God's way is the only way, the only way to eternal life, this is what God is saying. He says that man's way is the only way, the only way to eternal punishment, Satan and his demons have already made their way and their sentence if fixed. Man has a choice still, God's way or his.

There's that blackmail again. Not only will daddy not let us into the party if we don't behave, he'll force us into a pit of fire on top of that.

and expect everyone to just take his word for it. Especially when he works through followers and a faulty book, instead of actually showing up and really explaining himself.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else ha all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

The burden of proof isn't on us. Show the world that Yahweh is more real than all the other deities that have been worshipped throughout history, and I'll consider him real. Worshipping is a different story, but let's take it one step at a time. The bible claims he's real. We still need proof.

No, I'm not highly impressed with him sacrificing himself to himself to save us from an eternity of punishment that he made for those who don't follow him. Especially when he doesn't seem to have sacrificed anything at all.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him. We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

If someone could guarantee that I'd rise again to rule the world if I let them torture me for a few days, I'd take it. Christ's sacrifice was a publicity stunt. It was not a necessity to convince Yahweh to forgive people.

[truthBtold]

Preordained = sky daddy knew everything that was gonna happen.. and LET it happen. And interfered on occasion not to make things right, but to kill his own creation over and over again.. he is the devil.. someone can I get a amen!!!

[Minimalist]

Amen.

[Godscreated]

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[quote='Chad32' pid='598099' dateline='1391555079']
Yes, it matters. It all matters. That's what justice is. You can't have a guy that proclaims he's the biggest baddest thing in existence, claim he's loving, merciful, just, and all that, claim we're all horrible people and his way is the only way,

God's way is the only way, the only way to eternal life, this is what God is saying. He says that man's way is the only way, the only way to eternal punishment, Satan and his demons have already made their way and their sentence if fixed. Man has a choice still, God's way or his.

There's that blackmail again. Not only will daddy not let us into the party if we don't behave, he'll force us into a pit of fire on top of that.

So I guess you felt the same about your parents when they gave you a choice to mind or else.

and expect everyone to just take his word for it. Especially when he works through followers and a faulty book, instead of actually showing up and really explaining himself.

God being the creator of the universe who else word do you want, who else has all the information. No one has yet proven the Bible is faulty, people have had a couple thousand years to do so and still are failing.

The burden of proof isn't on us. Show the world that Yahweh is more real than all the other deities that have been worshipped throughout history, and I'll consider him real. Worshipping is a different story, but let's take it one step at a time. The bible claims he's real. We still need proof.

I've witnessed to the fact it's now on your plate, the Bible makes no claim to God's reality. If it's not your responsibility to prove the Bible faulty then why have non-believers like yourself been trying to do so for 2000 years.

No, I'm not highly impressed with him sacrificing himself to himself to save us from an eternity of punishment that he made for those who don't follow him. Especially when he doesn't seem to have sacrificed anything at all.

Jesus gave His life for us, if you do not think He sacrificed anything then why don't you have someone to do to you as was done to Him. We only have the description from the Bible so that will have to be the standard. Jesus gave Himself for mankind, not for the Father, Christ's sacrifice was for man. You have never been a perfect being so how is it you can judge what the perfect Christ sacrificed.

If someone could guarantee that I'd rise again to rule the world if I let them torture me for a few days, I'd take it. Christ's sacrifice was a publicity stunt. It was not a necessity to convince Yahweh to forgive people.

That's about the worse statement I've see here. You can't know how Christ suffered, there's no way you can know what it's like to be a sinless being then take all the sins ever committed and would be committed upon yourself, that is hell times billions. The perfect loving God became shame for a bunch of people that only He could love enough to die for. God's forgivness comes only through what Christ did, so yes it was absolutely a necessity, without it salvation would no be possible for us.

GC