Is the universe God?

[Minimalist]

No. ............

[houseofcantor]

Well, between Min and the Reality Salesman, that about covers it.

[pocaracas]

the sum of all things (The Universe)

Hang on.... I've seen this before...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-I6XTVZXww

[The Reality Salesman01]

Lol, you guys are hilarious.

[Simon Moon]

When I talk about the universe, I'm refering to any material thing that ever existed.

We already have a perfectly good name for the the universe, and that would be.... wait for it.... the universe.

No need to call it something that brings with it so much baggage.

I think that we can all agree that either the universe always existed or it came into being at some time from the nothing that was already there.

Word salad.

How can nothing be something that has the ability to bring something into existence?

According to christians and many other theists God was not created. He always existed and has the power to create the universe.

Unsupported, evidenced assertions.

So either the universe always existed with no beginning or else it created itself, both of which require qualities of God.

False dichotomy.

[Lek]

Nonsense. Who makes the claim that the universe came from nothing?

Also, your claims regarding the characteristics of God are unsubstantiated.

I was trying to make the point that either everything was either created or it always existed. So if everything that is material hasn't always existed, then it came into existence at some point from nothing (or maybe something non-material). So either it created itself or something non-material created it. When I spoke of God I was speaking of the characteristics of the christian God. You could assume it was something beyond what the universe is made from. The point is that it points to something other than the material world.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

Nonsense. Who makes the claim that the universe came from nothing?

Also, your claims regarding the characteristics of God are unsubstantiated.

Would you like to try that again?

[Lek]

Would you like to try that again?

Look up. I edited my reply.

[pineapplebunnybounce]

Nonsense. Who makes the claim that the universe came from nothing?

Also, your claims regarding the characteristics of God are unsubstantiated.

I was trying to make the point that either everything was either created or it always existed. So if everything that is material hasn't always existed, then it came into existence at some point from nothing (or maybe something non-material). So either it created itself or something non-material created it. When I spoke of God I was speaking of the characteristics of the christian God. You could assume it was something beyond what the universe is made from. The point is that it points to something other than the material world.

I'm confused. How far are you willing to twist what god is supposed to be made of? Because if you say that god is made of water you can have evidence of god right here.

You need to show that god is immaterial. Show that Everything/anything immaterial must be god. Show that something immaterial must have existed before the universe (this is so beyond the scope of basic science I don't even want to start, because I'm not sure how much you know about cosmology). And before you do all that, define immaterial.

Otherwise I'm not seeing the point of this exercise.

[Cato]

Look up. I edited my reply.

Still fucked up.

You can't define your pet into existence Lek. You still haven't substantiated your claim (repeating yourself doesn't make it any more real) and are essentially arguing from ignorance. Let's see if you recognize your problem if I restate your argument this way: "We don't yet know the state of the universe at the moment of the Big Bang; therefore not only does god exist, but he's God as depicted in the Bible."

You are in dire need of Sagan's Balogna Detection Kit.