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How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
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RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
(February 10, 2014 at 6:04 pm)KUSA Wrote: I had a conversation with Christian girl yesterday and it randomly led to the subject of homosexuality.
She believes that it is perfectly acceptable to be a homosexual because you should be able to love anyone you want.
I asked her how she could say that and call herself a Christian. She became iritated. I pointed out that her Bible clearly states that it is an abomination. She finally said " I don't care what it says" and ended the conversation. The stress caused by the cognitive dissonance was pretty high.
I find Christians do this a lot. They reject what they don't like in the Bible.

They have to, because nobody can follow the entire book to-the-letter since it is a self contradictory mess.

Are we pre-tribulation or post-tribulation?

Are we saved through works or faith alone?

Is the Law still to be upheld or not?

Should we hate and kill homosexuals or love them as our neighbors?

Just about any position anyone would care to take on just about any subject, you'll be able to find and quote a Bible passage to support your stance. This is incidentally just what one would expect from a book of cobbled together, man made, and edited myths.
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#32
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
(February 10, 2014 at 9:47 pm)KUSA Wrote: I think minimalist wanted pictures.

Well, my links DID have pictures, though they'd only be fully appreciated by other lego beings. Praise Rev. Brendan Powell Smith and his most amazing work.
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church

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#33
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
(February 10, 2014 at 9:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah...but to be honest yhwh...it is pretty fucking boring. You know what it could have used. Some car chases. And maybe some good fuck scenes. None of this immaculate conception shit. Real divine porn.

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#34
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
Some people just don't know when to stay down.

Lek Wrote:Hebrews 8:13 and Romans 7:6 are vesrses you're looking for.

These verses only say the old laws are obsolete but neither one is specific as to which ones. Jesus helps to clarify that we can still get to Heaven, even though Christians break the 4th commandment by moving the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, the holy day of the Roman pagan gods, but the laws are still in force and there will be a hierarchy based on adherence to these old laws.

Jesus Wrote:Matthew 5:17-18 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Now, as True Christians ™ we believe that when Jesus sacrificed himself on a cross as the only means to convince himself to forgive all of us for being sinful beings (which we are because an ancestor of ours ate a magic fruit after speaking to a talking snake) he "fulfilled" the old laws. Now, it's never explained as to why blood sacrifice fulfills laws but we don't question how the Lord works his ways. What's important to know is that all the old laws are still in effect because...

Jesus Wrote:Matt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So it looks like you're going to be serving me as my valet when we get to my mansion in the sky.

Quote:The bible doesn't condem love between people with similar body parts. It condems sexual acts between them.
I did say people with similar body parts doing the nasty. As True Christians ™, we don't ask why the Lord is so preoccupied with those predisposed to finding mates with similar body parts. Ours is not to ask questions but to simply believe what we're told.

Quote:Anyone who refuses to follow God's calling will "die". In the bible death is often referred to as not receiving eternal life, which is what he speaks of here in both senses. In fact, we're all worthy of death because we're all sinners.
Nice try but you'd do better to go with JuliaL's interpretation of scripture. You see, the Wholly Babble is clear on what the death of the spirit on Judgment Day shall be.

Quote:Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You see, the damnation of sinners who are cast into the lake of fire is called "the second death", distinguished from the first death which is just plain death. And the second time's a charm.

So yes, sin brought death into the world but those who don't repent get the second death. If Paul was referring to the judgment of Jesus in the afterlife, he'd have wrote "are worth of the second death".

Quote:I think you have that reversed.

Not so! I'M A TRUE CHRISTIAN ™. AND YOU CAN TELL BY MY ABUSE OF THE "ALL CAPS" BUTTON AND EXCESSIVE USE OF EXCLAMATION POINTS TO COMPENSATE FOR MY LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR MY ASSERTIONS!!!!!

And as a True Christian ™ I believe ALL the Holey Bible and not just the cherry picked parts. I abstain from going to Red Lobster knowing the dumb ass phony Christians like you will be at my feet.
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church

™: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians ™ because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to. 

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#35
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
I would point out that the verses following Matthew 5:17-19 are even stricter than "the law." Jesus spends the next several verses telling the crowd that if they thought the law was strict, they ain't seen nothin' yet. The law made it wrong to do certain things, but Jesus said that the intent was now sufficient to damn a person. Jesus wasn't destroying the tenth commandment, he was expanding it.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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#36
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
My point of view, when I was still a Christian, was that as long as I believed what was necessary for salvation (virgin birth, resurrection, Jesus' divinity) , I was fine, and still technically a Christian.

And I really only clung to that tiny bit because of a fear of Hell.
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#37
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
To be a Christian all you really have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior, not bronze age cultural values which as largely optional as Christianity isn't a religion where you live by a code of Laws but relationship with God through Christ. Good works are entirely voluntary just because you feel like it due to an awareness and appreciation of God his creation and humanity in the image of God. The focus is more on what matters in reality and the Bible gives you outline of this.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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#38
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
(February 11, 2014 at 10:21 am)Sword of Christ Wrote: To be a Christian all you really have to do is accept Jesus as your Savior, not bronze age cultural values which as largely optional as Christianity isn't a religion where you live by a code of Laws but relationship with God through Christ. Good works are entirely voluntary just because you feel like it.

BLASPHEMER!

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"Bronze Age Cultural Values"

Have you forgotten that this is THE WORD OF GOD? That makes the values timeless and universal!

Either the Wholly Babble IS the Word of God or it IS NOT the Word of God! Make up your mind! There is no "sorta, kinda The Word of God" option.

Dumb ass flip-flopping liberal phony Christian!
"You don't need facts when you got Jesus." -Pastor Deacon Fred, Landover Baptist Church

™: True Christian is a Trademark of the Landover Baptist Church. I have no affiliation with this fine group of True Christians ™ because I can't afford their tithing requirements but would like to be. Maybe someday the Lord will bless me with enough riches that I am able to. 

And for the lovers of Poe, here's your winking smiley:  Wink
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#39
RE: How can a Christian reject part of the Bible and still call themselves a Christian?
(February 11, 2014 at 10:32 am)YahwehIsTheWay Wrote: Have you forgotten that this is THE WORD OF GOD? That makes the values timeless and universal!

Words written by human people who were inspired to write of their experiences of God through the medium of their own culture at the time. It still counts being from God of course but it doesn't mean you have to stone people to death for working on the Sabbath Day or whatever, even the modern Jews have stopped doing that.


Quote:Either the Wholly Babble IS the Word of God or it IS NOT the Word of God! Make up your mind! There is no "sorta, kinda The Word of God" option.

From God through a Bronze Age people so there will be plenty in there we won't agree with or do because we have a different culture. A more advanced/developed culture perhaps though this is not scientific but an objectively real spiritual advancement, the relationship we have with God is an ongoing process it didn't end with the Bible.


Quote:Dumb ass flip-flopping liberal phony Christian!

Much of our culture and moral values have been brought about through the Judeo-Christian tradition. Our social support systems and equality of human rights, the abolition of slavery and all that business has it's roots there. Going out on a limb I think there is a reasonable claim that secular democratic states and modern Western science have their foundations in this as well though you could also sort of trace this to the pagans of the Classical world and ancient Greece. Though it was all later re-discovered and implemented by the Christian West.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
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