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Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
#21
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
Quote: Jesus was the one they were speaking of.

Please stop telling jews how to be jews. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Quote:Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.

Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah.
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#22
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 7:55 pm)Lek Wrote:
(February 17, 2014 at 4:32 pm)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: High orangebox

Why do you think he picked just one bloodline to reveal himself to?

Humanly, Jesus could only be descended through one bloodline. When the messiah arrived he was revealed to Jews first, then to the rest of the world. Why he chose the Jews? Who knows.

Ooh. Please!! Dont start with the bloodline shit.. stories of virgin birth. . And god as a man.. what a joke!!
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#23
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 9:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote: Jesus was the one they were speaking of.

Please stop telling jews how to be jews. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Quote:Judaism generally views Jesus as one of a number of false messiahs who have appeared throughout history.[1] Jesus is viewed as having been the most influential, and consequently the most damaging, of all false messiahs.[2] However, since the mainstream Jewish belief is that the Messiah has not yet come and that the Messianic Age is not yet present, the total rejection of Jesus as either messiah or deity in Judaism has never been a central issue for Judaism. At the heart of Judaism are the Torah, its commandments, the Tanakh, and ethical monotheism such as in the Shema — all of which predated Jesus.

Judaism has never accepted any of the claimed fulfillments of prophecy that Christianity attributes to Jesus. Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God.[3][4] Jewish eschatology holds that the coming of the Messiah will be associated with a specific series of events that have not yet occurred, including the return of Jews to their homeland and the rebuilding of The Temple, a Messianic Age of peace[5] and understanding during which "the knowledge of God" fills the earth,[6] and since Jews believe that none of these events occurred during the lifetime of Jesus (nor have they occurred afterwards, except for the return of many Jews to their homeland in Israel), he is not a candidate for messiah.

I didn't say the Jews accepted Jesus. In fact, all but a few rejected him as you pointed out. That doesn't mean they were correct. As for the eschatology, most Christains are waiting for the same things when Jeus returns for the final judgement. In the time since Jesus came until the final judgement we're in the time when the knowlege of God fills the earth. All the first Christians were Jews also.
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#24
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
Jesus said he'd come back within the lifetimes of the people he was talking to, so I'm not sure why anyone is waiting for a second return. Most everyone in the world probably knows christianity and judaeism exists, but I don't think that's quite what the jews meant.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#25
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Lek Wrote: I didn't say the Jews accepted Jesus. In fact, all but a few rejected him as you pointed out. That doesn't mean they were correct. As for the eschatology, most Christains are waiting for the same things when Jeus returns for the final judgement. In the time since Jesus came until the final judgement we're in the time when the knowlege of God fills the earth. All the first Christians were Jews also.


They had good reasons. He didn't fit the qualifications to be the Messiah.

For a start, the Messiah was supposed to accomplish the following:

1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world ― on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).

Even failing to accomplish one of these, disqualifies him as being the Messiah.

And please, don't give us the standard apologetic, "he's supposed to fulfill these in the 2nd coming". There is no concept of this in the OT. It's supposed to happen in the Messiah's lifetime.

There are quite a few more reasons why he doesn't qualify.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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#26
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 10:18 pm)Lek Wrote:
(February 17, 2014 at 9:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Please stop telling jews how to be jews. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I didn't say the Jews accepted Jesus. In fact, all but a few rejected him as you pointed out. That doesn't mean they were correct. As for the eschatology, most Christains are waiting for the same things when Jeus returns for the final judgement. In the time since Jesus came until the final judgement we're in the time when the knowlege of God fills the earth. All the first Christians were Jews also.

What you said was: The story of the Jews as the chosen people in bible was written long before the birth of Jesus. Jesus was the one they were speaking of.

And I told you that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
You are parroting xtian bullshit, pal. Nothing more.
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#27
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
I heard his name was supposed to be Emmanuel anyway. Apparently Mary thought Jesus was a better name than Emmanuel.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#28
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
Every xtian knows that bullshit is very elastic. It can be stretched for miles!
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#29
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 11:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Every xtian knows that bullshit is very elastic. It can be stretched for miles!

Elastic? I prefer to think of it as squishy.
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#30
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 11:46 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Apparently Mary thought Jesus was a better name than Emmanuel.

And in one move, killed a dead-cert career in porn.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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