Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?

[Crossless2.0]

Either your reasons are sufficient to persuade others or they aren't. DP is willing to debate you in a one-on-one setting. Put up or shut up.

"But he said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.'" Luke 16:31

These words were spoken in a parable given by Jesus to them that asked for signs.

Who's asking for signs? I'm asking you to engage DP on a topic that doesn't exist entirely in your head. It's your holy book, after all.

I guess the question remains: What would you do if you saw me raise someone from the dead in Jesus' name?

I don't know. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it, resurrection man. You know -- evidence.

[pocaracas]

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If after reading the last sentence I typed, you immediately in your mind begin thinking of other possible "naturalistic" explanations for this event then you should ask yourself......

Why?

Why am I trying to explain it away? Why am I not accepting that it could only be because Christ has power over death?

Why am I so dead-set against miracles happening?

Why do I assume a priori that those things cannot happen?

Would it really be Christ wielding that power?... or you?
Why would you think it was some christ?
Why are you so dead-set for miracles happening?
Why do you assume a priori that those things can happen?

Is there any occasion in history where those things have happened? Beyond the shadow of a doubt? (pics or it didn't happen, remember?)

[discipulus]

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If after reading the last sentence I typed, you immediately in your mind begin thinking of other possible "naturalistic" explanations for this event then you should ask yourself......

Why?

Why am I trying to explain it away? Why am I not accepting that it could only be because Christ has power over death?

Why am I so dead-set against miracles happening?

Why do I assume a priori that those things cannot happen?

Would it really be Christ wielding that power?... or you?
Why would you think it was some christ?
Why are you so dead-set for miracles happening?
Why do you assume a priori that those things can happen?

Is there any occasion in history where those things have happened? Beyond the shadow of a doubt? (pics or it didn't happen, remember?)

You are still asking questions which proves my point.

Why ask why?

If you were alive in Jesus' day, and you saw all that He was doing and saying and you saw Him raise a man from the grave that had been dead for three days you still seem to insinuate that you would be in doubt....

Why would you be so reluctant to confess that Christ was indeed who He said He was?

What is the issue here? I really fail to see it.

Maybe............it is because you just do not like the idea of Christ coming on the seen and making the claim that it is He who is Lord of All......

The Pharisees loved the honor of men. This prevented them from believing.

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Now you know why I have been saying all along that there exists no type of evidence for the existence of God that cannot be explained away by them that are unwilling to believe.

I think I have proven my point. All I have to do is refer to your own posts to prove it.

[Rahul]

If you were alive in Jesus' day, and you saw all that He was doing and saying and you saw Him raise a man from the grave that had been dead for three days you still seem to insinuate that you would be in doubt....

If we were alive in Jesus' day, we'd probably see that he seemed to be the exact same as a disheveled, slightly unhinged homeless person like we see on street corners today.

[pocaracas]

Would it really be Christ wielding that power?... or you?
Why would you think it was some christ?
Why are you so dead-set for miracles happening?
Why do you assume a priori that those things can happen?

Is there any occasion in history where those things have happened? Beyond the shadow of a doubt? (pics or it didn't happen, remember?)

You are still asking questions which proves my point.

Why ask why?

Because it's not a common sight...people coming back to life after being a corpse for days.

If you were alive in Jesus' day, and you saw all that He was doing and saying and you saw Him raise a man from the grave that had been dead for three days you still seem to insinuate that you would be in doubt....

No...I'd probably have no doubt that he was some extraordinary person...

Why would you be so reluctant to confess that Christ was indeed who He said He was?

I wouldn't... but I'd still require some sort of backup of the event...10 witnesses, at least...and a "do it again, please".

What is the issue here? I really fail to see it.

Maybe............it is because you just do not like the idea of Christ coming on the seen and making the claim that it is He who is Lord of All......

Maybe the problem lies in the fact that all we have of that time is a tale.
A tale written well after the fact and possibly written with some sort of agenda... it is then of little reliability.

But I thought we were talking about your ability to bring people back from the dead, not the alleged a ability of some guy who lived 2 thousand years ago... continuation of the ability through time, jumping from person to person...that would be great...but if Hollywood is anything to go by, then those people would rather hide, than help people live a bit longer, risking exposure to the public.

The Pharisees loved the honor of men. This prevented them from believing.

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Now you know why I have been saying all along that there exists no type of evidence for the existence of God that cannot be explained away by them that are unwilling to believe.

I think I have proven my point. All I have to do is refer to your own posts to prove it.

Dude, I'm the most willing person you'll meet...but I'm not gullible and require something more than "there's this book..."
And I'm fully aware of the possibility of brain trickery, so I'll always require independent confirmation...and the more the merrier.
And I find amazing the amount of people who fail to meet this simple requirement and end up sounding like delusional folk.

[DeistPaladin]

Now that I think about it, it seems to me only right that we debate that one thing, that one misgiving that you feel is your biggest objection to Jesus Christ.

Whatever it is, if we can debate it and talk about it like civil, respectful human beings and I can give you thoughtful, sincere, respectful answers, then I will have done what was right.

Some skeptics might answer in four words: There is no proof.

Personally, I'm more concerned with the consequences of this belief system. Let me not mince words, Christianity is a dangerous, destructive belief system that has been the greatest disaster to befall humanity and is wholly maladaptive to the survival of human civilization in the future.

[Angrboda]

Were you there to see Jesus raising people from the dead? Then how do you know what he did is what you propose you would do in the present? You don't. You're just begging the question.

[Esquilax]

You are still asking questions which proves my point.

Why ask why?

Are you seriously insinuating that because we would want to do additional investigation rather than just leaping to the preferred answer that you offer, we're somehow displaying proof that we actually just don't want god to exist, and are being unfair?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Requiring additional investigation is called being intellectually honest, because historically, leaping to the easiest conclusion without thinking results in incorrect conclusions. And I know you know this, because all those other religions that stayed with the first conclusion they had, a different god than yours, got it wrong, according to you! Flat earth? First conclusion we had, dead wrong. Oh what, why won't you just accept that the earth is flat, Disc? Why do you keep asking questions? That just proves my point: you're just unfairly biased against the earth being flat!

This is the most intellectually anemic, childish argument, and yet you keep bringing it up. You should be ashamed of yourself: you notice how we're not going around forcefully reinterpreting your motives so that we no longer have to defend our position? At no point has anyone here decided to tell you what you believe, what the fuck gives you the right to do different to us? Grow. Up!

[max-greece]

I guess the question remains: What would you do if you saw me raise someone from the dead in Jesus' name?

Is this something you are likely to do during the debate?

I'll definitely tune in for that one.

Do you take requests? Could we choose who you bring back?

I might ask that you bring Jesus back - I have some questions for him.

Finally - and I don't know if you can do other things - but bringing someone back from the dead is kinda mundance in the grand scheme of things. Now if we could choose a miracle that would be something.

How about changing the morphology of the mosquito so that the female no longer sucks blood, passing on Malaria - perhaps switching to a fruit diet like the male?

That would convince me. I'm free next Monday so if you could do it then that would be lovely.

[Minimalist]

I do not quite understand why you posted that image of Tommy Lee Jones.

I would have thought the text under it would have helped.

In any event, do you have anything else to offer? Something that can actually be debated?

Put me down for $10 on "No."

I'll definitely tune in for that one.

Make sure the person is really dead, Max. Maybe chop the head off. That shouldn't beyond the talents of a 'god' to resurrect, eh?