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Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
#91
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
Not according to the author of the book I just finished.

Hypothesis has it that the Jewish bible was totally a political work. Compiled primarily when said political lobbyists were in 'exile' .... They came back, put the whole guilt trip onto the population and the rest as they say is his story.

Up until the 'exile' the writers had no idea of anything. Babylon and Mesopotamia came as a bit of a shock.
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#92
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 2:40 pm)discipulus Wrote:
(February 22, 2014 at 2:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: And your evidence that "god" did anything of the sort? Or that god even exists?

What would that evidence be?

Good day Minimalist!

I noticed you asked a question but I am not sure who it was addressed to.

Was it addressed to me?

Yes, indeed.
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#93
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
(February 22, 2014 at 2:40 pm)discipulus Wrote: Good day Minimalist!

I noticed you asked a question but I am not sure who it was addressed to.

Was it addressed to me?

Yes, indeed.

So I see you desire for me to present you with evidence for the existence of God.

I am humbled that you would ask me, as well as delighted.

Tell me, why do you ask this?
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#94
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm)discipulus Wrote: So I see you desire for me to present you with evidence for the existence of God.

I am humbled that you would ask me, as well as delighted.

Tell me, why do you ask this?

Because it would be the biggest, most shocking discovery in the history of the human species.
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#95
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 17, 2014 at 2:39 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Mormon religious texts speak of the distant star or planet Kolob where they claim god lives. That's pretty far outside the Middle East.

Except Mormons aren't actually Christians.
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#96
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Rahul Wrote:
(February 22, 2014 at 5:08 pm)discipulus Wrote: So I see you desire for me to present you with evidence for the existence of God.

I am humbled that you would ask me, as well as delighted.

Tell me, why do you ask this?

Because it would be the biggest, most shocking discovery in the history of the human species.

What might this evidence look like?

What would you consider to be evidence for the existence of God?
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#97
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 1:43 pm)discipulus Wrote:
(February 22, 2014 at 10:49 am)catman Wrote: Scientific study and archeological evidence all points to Africa and not the Middle East.

With regards to the Cradle of Civilization (as it has been termed), it encompasses a broad region which is loosely referred to as "the ancient near east", or the "middle east". This region (if you will note, this is the exact term I used in my response) is not limited only to Iraq, or Saudi Arabia as many envision when they hear the term "middle east", but rather, as the Wikipedia article states:

In Western European and Middle Eastern cultures, [the term "Cradle of Civilization"] it has frequently been applied to the Ancient Near Eastern Chalcolithic (Ubaid period, Naqada culture), especially in the Fertile Crescent (Mesopotamia and Levant) and Egypt, but also extended to sites in Asia Minor (Anatolia), Armenia[1] and the Iranian Plateau (Elam)

So as you will see catman, what I have said in no way contradicts the most recent findings of archaeologists. Notice I also referred to the children of the children of the children of Adam and Eve, not Adam and Eve themselves, i.e. the third generation on as having spread out in the region generally referred to as the middle east. This is in no way refuted by your reply. These peoples had to migrate EAST due to the constraints placed on them by the Mediterranean Sea to the WEST.

To conclude, the area in Africa which you have in mind is included in the overall region I referred to as the "middle east".

No, it does not. Read your own post. No Africa in there.

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(February 22, 2014 at 10:49 am)catman Wrote: Amazingly China was populated within a few thousand years.

How is this pertinent?

It is pertinent because it could not have happened.

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(February 22, 2014 at 10:49 am)catman Wrote: Even though their religions/mythologies may be older than Judaism?

You are mistaken. For the account I have given you is the account of the very first people to populate the earth after the flood. We are speaking of a time that predates any of the world's religions and or mythologies. At this time the only people that existed on the face of the earth were those who were delivered alive through the flood by God.

Except that flood never happened. Not only is there no evidence for it, all of the evidence is against it.
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#98
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 15, 2014 at 11:56 pm)catman Wrote: If the Bible is the word of God then why is it only focused on one specific region of the entire planet? Was there nothing going on outside of the Middle East worth mentioning? The Han Dynasty maybe?

(P.S - the same holds true for all religious texts)

The Bible was primarily written by Jews for other Jews who regarded other people as inferior to them. The amazing thing is that they were successful in actually convincing almost everyone that they were (are) in fact superior to them. There's almost no Jewish fairy tale that people don't believe is 100% true. If anyone dares question any of them he's immediately branded as an anti-semite and punished like he's a major criminal.

How insane is it to think that a Jewish zombie is going to save your "soul"? People don't think that it's absurd in the least. They believe it wholeheartedly without a second thought. But if someone claimed that a Chinese or French zombie could do that he would be considered insane.
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#99
RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 6:37 pm)discipulus Wrote: What might this evidence look like?

What would you consider to be evidence for the existence of God?

I suppose it could be quite a few different kinds of things.

Why don't you provide some and we can evaluate it.
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RE: Why are other civilizations ignored in the Bible?
(February 22, 2014 at 6:50 pm)Chas Wrote: No, it does not. Read your own post. No Africa in there.

Egypt is predominantly in Africa, correct?

Also Chas, do not overlook the fact that I use terms like "generally" and "region".

This thread is not about me trying to convince you that Adam and Eve originated in locale (X). Rather, out of respect for catman, I am writing what I am to explain to him why the Bible focuses on one specific nation of people. In order to do this a little background information was necessary.

Nor do I believe that Adam and Eve originated in South Africa in the area commonly referred to as the Cradle of Humankind. I do not believe Adam and Eve were "monkey people" or cave men who lived millions of years ago. Maybe this is what catman was referring to when he used the word Africa.

Once again, to derail this thread into a discourse on origins is not respectful to catman. I ask that we try to remain on topic.




(February 22, 2014 at 6:50 pm)Chas Wrote: It is pertinent because it could not have happened.

Once again, this is not a thread on whether or not the Chinese could have existed at time (T), but rather, why, if the Bible is the Word of God, is one nation the focal point of the Biblical narrative.


(February 22, 2014 at 6:50 pm)Chas Wrote: Except that flood never happened. Not only is there no evidence for it, all of the evidence is against it.

It did happen, there is plenty of evidence for it and this thread is not about the flood.

If you would like to discuss this then please start a new thread.

(February 22, 2014 at 7:28 pm)Rahul Wrote: I suppose it could be quite a few different kinds of things.

Why don't you provide some and we can evaluate it.

I have so much to provide that I need to know from you specifically where to start and what you would find convincing.

Now I ask you once again, what would you consider to be evidence for God's existence? What would convince you?
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