An atheists guide to reality

[Esquilax]

OK, lets stick to this one point of contention, no asking for evidence of Gods existence or other red herrings

Well shit, if you're gonna come here telling us about how superior objective meaning is, you'd better damn well have some to show us. What you're doing is essentially entering into a worldview competition, and thinking that badmouthing all the other entries is enough to win, so you don't need to even enter yourself, you'll just walk away with the trophy later.

Simple question, Is life is simply the chance combination of matter and destined ultimately for decay and nothingness?

I want to establish something we can agree that atheists believe.

I dunno. Does any other atheist want to chime in and provide a concrete answer to what "atheists believe," on this subject, or are we all as comfortable with our current ignorance on the origins and purpose of the universe as we seem to be, judging from all the other threads I've read?

But let's say I'll humor you: pretend my answer is yes. It's not, and I doubt it is for any other poster on this thread thus far, but pretend. How does that fact make non-nihilistic atheism illogical?

[StatCrux]

I want to establish something we can agree that atheists believe.

I got one

Grow up, I'll take this as admission that you're a juvenile

[Whateverist]

No, that isn't my position, my argument is that our lives have meaning including atheists and they are fully aware it it, its just not logically consistent with atheism, so what I'm saying is that our personal experience of meaning in life is testament to the fact that there is purpose and meaning

Now I see the problem. You think atheism is a commitment to a set of beliefs. Actually it isn't. It is simply the lack of one particular belief.

[downbeatplumb]

Okay, listen to me, very closely. Are you paying attention? 'Cause here goes:

Why is the meaning we have logically inconsistent with atheism? In what way is our meaning different from an objective one?

OK, lets stick to this one point of contention, no asking for evidence of Gods existence or other red herrings

Simple question, Is life is simply the chance combination of matter and destined ultimately for decay and nothingness?

I want to establish something we can agree that atheists believe.

Atheists all do not believe in god..

That's it, anything else is personal and not essential to atheism.

There is no book on atheism, no dogma, no tenet that we all believe, no all encompassing worldview just a lack of belief in god or gods.

I realise that this will upset your attempt to strawman us but there you go.

[Faith No More]

No, that isn't my position, my argument is that our lives have meaning including atheists and they are fully aware it it, its just not logically consistent with atheism, so what I'm saying is that our personal experience of meaning in life is testament to the fact that there is purpose and meaning

Simply stating it is so does not make it so.

[Jacob(smooth)]

I got one

Grow up, I'll take this as admission that you're a juvenile

Yeah, well you smell

On the other hand, you also rocked up on an Atheist forum to tell atheists what the true colors of atheism were, and then demonstrated that you did not understand what atheism is by trying to identify something all atheists believe which is not "there is no god". So I think ridiculous cunt is about right.

my argument is that our lives have meaning including atheists and they are fully aware it

So when you said that

atheism when taken to its logical conclusion leads to lack in intentionality, lack of meaning or purpose in life

You meant that atheism does't mean their lives have no meaning, just that atheism leads to lack of meaning in life....

[Whateverist]

So I'm waiting .. StayPuff man. Are you going to show how the lack of a belief in God is *logically* inconsistent with acknowledging the meaning we find in our lives.

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Oh dear gawd .. did we break him? Now who is going to explain to us the logical implications of what we think?

[max-greece]

Okay, listen to me, very closely. Are you paying attention? 'Cause here goes:

Why is the meaning we have logically inconsistent with atheism? In what way is our meaning different from an objective one?

OK, lets stick to this one point of contention, no asking for evidence of Gods existence or other red herrings

Simple question, Is life is simply the chance combination of matter and destined ultimately for decay and nothingness?

I want to establish something we can agree that atheists believe.

See my response #31 on this thread. The origins of life are irrelevant once evolution of intelligent social creatures has established itself.

[Ryantology]

The only difference between atheist 'nihilism' and the Christian idea of objective meaning to life is the fact that Christians are just making up the latter in fear of the former. It is symptomatic of people who lack the capacity for independent thought. You need your sky daddy to define your meaning for you because you lack the capacity to do it for yourself. You need your sky daddy to serve as your conscience because you have none of your own. You need your sky daddy to describe the world around you because you are too lazy and stupid to figure it out for yourself.

The Christian idea of 'objective meaning' applies only to mindless objects. Fridges have 'objective meaning', they exist to keep things cold. Light bulbs have 'objective meaning'. Bathtubs and dinner plates and ballpoint pens and dildoes have 'objective meaning'. A self-determining individual like a human has no 'objective meaning'. Remove the 'self-determining', and you're just a slave or a mindless piece of biological machinery. It is not a coincidence that this is precisely the sort of thinking the Christian religion promotes.

Enjoy the chains you've placed upon yourself if that's what turns you on, but don't insult our intelligence by insisting we put them on, too.

[max-greece]

The only difference between atheist 'nihilism' and the Christian idea of objective meaning to life is the fact that Christians are just making up the latter in fear of the former. It is symptomatic of people who lack the capacity for independent thought. You need your sky daddy to define your meaning for you because you lack the capacity to do it for yourself. You need your sky daddy to serve as your conscience because you have none of your own. You need your sky daddy to describe the world around you because you are too lazy and stupid to figure it out for yourself.

The Christian idea of 'objective meaning' applies only to mindless objects. Fridges have 'objective meaning', they exist to keep things cold. Light bulbs have 'objective meaning'. Bathtubs and dinner plates and ballpoint pens and dildoes have 'objective meaning'. A self-determining individual like a human has no 'objective meaning'. Remove the 'self-determining', and you're just a slave or a mindless piece of biological machinery. It is not a coincidence that this is precisely the sort of thinking the Christian religion promotes.

Enjoy the chains you've placed upon yourself if that's what turns you on, but don't insult our intelligence by insisting we put them on, too.

Just fuckin' A that reply.