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Why Christians Attack Evolution
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
I think they attack because it threatens their beliefs, in fact most will attack if any belief is threatened, even atheist.
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#12
RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
(March 17, 2014 at 7:30 pm)discipulus Wrote: I do not attack it and I am a Christian. Nor do many other brilliant Christians in the academy attack it.

So where does that leave your post? Thinking

In good standing, just because you or "many other brilliant Christians" don't argue over evolution does not falsify his post. Fact is discipulus, there are a lot of proudly ignorant gits in your religion. Deal with it.
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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#13
RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
While many Christians may say they don't "attack" or dismiss evolution, the dilemma they all have (all denominations) is that they can't fully embrace evolution if they believe a god instilled us with a "soul."

Nowhere does evolution speak of the evolution of souls or that humans are "special"

Christians believe that God created humans as special and apart - so this is where they will have to choose between science and faith. A Christian in good faith can't fully embrace evolution without turning a blind eye to certain major tenets of their faith.

Ironically, Darwin was a Christian and he went through a process of denouncing the Bible. I don't believe he ever considered himself an atheist though.
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#14
RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
Religious belief enhances in-group identification and social cohesion. It is the secret handshake which bonds the believers into a group which then can be wielded against other groups or individuals. The weirder and more counter intuitive the belief, the more firmly must the adherents adhere against all comers. At least the ones who are able to endure the cognitive dissonance between what they believe and what they observe.
Up to a point for most people. For many, the obvious reliability and useful products of methodolgical naturalism erode confidence in bronze age fantasies. Accommodation must be made, albeit grudgingly. So lots of Christians give ground, like the Catholics with evolution. Some try to absorb the invader of their halls of power by adopting but interpreting. The days of Genesis weren't days. Evolution formed the body but God installed the soul.
Some never reach that point, but feel that attack is the better strategy. Like the island campaign against the Japanese in WW II. They will be bypassed.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? Huh
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
The main problem here is that, contrary to what has been said in this thread, prior to Darwin Christians did not just take the Bible literally. That is just factually wrong. Some indeed did, but the doctrine of sola scriptura and Biblical literalism is rather new to Christianity. For example, two of the most influential Christians - Augustine and Aquinas - did not take Genesis (much less the entire Bible) literally. This is just a wrong-headed view many atheists have and I'd wish it'd go away.

It really sounds stupid if you think something like "Blimey, this Darwin guy showed Genesis couldn't have literally happened... REJECT SCIENCE!!!111" happened.
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
(March 17, 2014 at 7:17 pm)Michael Schubert Wrote:

Dawkins wants to racially profile Muslims, Christopher Hitchens was for the Iraq invasion because he wanted to stamp out religion in the name of secular fundamentalism, and Sam Harris is just another islamophobe.

And that is my two cents.

Pretty good except for the "racially profiling Muslims" bit. That's bullshit. Muslim is not a race.
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
(March 17, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Not all Christians disbelieve in evolution...usually, that's an opinion of Fundamentalist Christians. They tend to take Genesis more literally, than other Christians. But, then what does that say about the religion as a whole? Christians can't even agree on their own faith book?

Which just speaks to me, that it's all nonsense...just spun several different ways, in various denominations.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the basic premise of evolution is true, but then they get tripped up when they believe that God still gave humans a 'soul.' When did that happen exactly in the 'evolutionary process?''

Before Charles Darwin's theory took shape, Christians took Genesis, literally. Hmmm...then, Charles Darwin came along, and years later...the Catholic Church and other denoms were teaching that it's 'ok' to accept Genesis as metaphorical in nature. So, just like that...'god' changed his mind? He sent a cosmic message to all the 'church leaders' that...now, thou shalt believe in evolution? lol Oh please.

It's just too much nonsense for me, anymore.

Science is complex, yet simple. It's beautiful. It doesn't have all the answers, but that doesn't mean it never will. I trust science, because simply put, it doesn't lie. Religions lie.

The Catholic Church has the entire truth and does not lie.
We accept evolution as plausible as well as the accounts in Genesis.
What is key to the issue is a God created the World and how he did it may be evolution or the Biblical way.
Irish.
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
(March 18, 2014 at 12:08 am)Irish Wrote:
(March 17, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Deidre32 Wrote: Not all Christians disbelieve in evolution...usually, that's an opinion of Fundamentalist Christians. They tend to take Genesis more literally, than other Christians. But, then what does that say about the religion as a whole? Christians can't even agree on their own faith book?

Which just speaks to me, that it's all nonsense...just spun several different ways, in various denominations.

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the basic premise of evolution is true, but then they get tripped up when they believe that God still gave humans a 'soul.' When did that happen exactly in the 'evolutionary process?''

Before Charles Darwin's theory took shape, Christians took Genesis, literally. Hmmm...then, Charles Darwin came along, and years later...the Catholic Church and other denoms were teaching that it's 'ok' to accept Genesis as metaphorical in nature. So, just like that...'god' changed his mind? He sent a cosmic message to all the 'church leaders' that...now, thou shalt believe in evolution? lol Oh please.

It's just too much nonsense for me, anymore.

Science is complex, yet simple. It's beautiful. It doesn't have all the answers, but that doesn't mean it never will. I trust science, because simply put, it doesn't lie. Religions lie.

The Catholic Church has the entire truth and does not lie.
We accept evolution as plausible as well as the accounts in Genesis.
What is key to the issue is a God created the World and how he did it may be evolution or the Biblical way.
Irish.

You came all this way to say so little?

Have a Guinness mate.
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#19
RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
Because it disproves Genesis.
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RE: Why Christians Attack Evolution
(March 18, 2014 at 12:08 am)Irish Wrote: The Catholic Church has the entire truth and does not lie.

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When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura

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