Why Christians Attack Evolution

[discipulus]

discipulus >> Before I address your questions, if you don't refute evolution, why are we debating all of this? What do you hope to accomplish? That *may* help me understand your line of questioning. You tend to answer others' questions with either questions, or non answers...so...that's why I ask.

You stated that evolution is evidence that the Bible is nonsense. You need to substantiate that because it is a claim to knowledge.

[jesus_wept]

I think you may have missed my point. Which is that while evolution might be "just a theory", creationism isnt even a theory. It's a failed hypothesis at best.

And how life began in the first place is largely irrelevant to the theory of evolution because, whether you believe life on earth was seeded by cosmic garbage or the hand of god, it doesn't change the theory of evolution one bit. Evolution does present quite a hurdle to the mankind was created in god's image types though.

If your worldview cannot account for the origin of life, the very thing that is a prerequisite for evolution in the first place, then as I stated earlier, Creationism is superior in explanatory scope and power.

Creationism explains nothing, instead it makes unfounded assertions.

And if you believe asserting things without evidence makes a good theory than I put it to you that a magical goblin who lives outside space and time farted the universe into existence and then created life in an unexplainable act of magic. This scenario is just as plausible as creationism.

[discipulus]

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If your worldview cannot account for the origin of life, the very thing that is a prerequisite for evolution in the first place, then as I stated earlier, Creationism is superior in explanatory scope and power.

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I think you may have meant to post this to someone else's post. It certainly is not pertinent to what I wrote to Deidre.

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You did?

Where?


Where did I call adhering to scientific truths scientism?

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Again, you demonstrate that you do not understand the scientific method AND you do not know how to take "we don't know" as an answer.

Evolution does not include the origin of life, it explains change, diversity, and speciation. Creationism has absolutely no explanatory power, it does not qualify as a theory.

Grow up.

You do not know how life originated on earth.

Admitting ignorance is a step in the right direction.

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Creationism explains nothing, instead it makes unfounded assertions.

If that is the case, then you and many others here would make perfect creationists.

And if you believe asserting things without evidence makes a good theory than I put it to you that a magical goblin who lives outside space and time farted the universe into existence and then created life in an unexplainable act of magic. This scenario is just as plausible as creationism.

If you are ignorant of what creationism is, then yes it is just as plausible.

[Rahul]

The theory of evolution by natural selection is a theory Deidre. It is not proof of anything.

Holy fucking shit. If I have to explain this one more fucking time I'm going to have a fucking stroke.

It's a fucking SCIENTIFIC THEORY. Not the type of "theory" that people use in normal day to day casual conversation.

A scientific theory is a collection of proven facts that attempt to accurately explain how something works or why something happens.

The theory of evolution, now pay really close attention here, is a collection of facts that form a framework for the explanation for HOW evolution works.

Evolution is a fact. The theory just tries to explain how it works NOT if it's true or not.

Evolution. Fact.

Theory of Evolution. Explanation of that fact.

[jesus_wept]

Creationism explains nothing, instead it makes unfounded assertions.

If that is the case, then you and many others here would make perfect creationists.

And if you believe asserting things without evidence makes a good theory than I put it to you that a magical goblin who lives outside space and time farted the universe into existence and then created life in an unexplainable act of magic. This scenario is just as plausible as creationism.

If you are ignorant of what creationism is, then yes it is just as plausible.

Why dont you explain the difference then?

[professor]

Deidre, you remarked that my description for the most part describes religion.
Good call.
You have heard: If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck- it is probably a duck.

[*Deidre*]

discipulus >> Before I address your questions, if you don't refute evolution, why are we debating all of this? What do you hope to accomplish? That *may* help me understand your line of questioning. You tend to answer others' questions with either questions, or non answers...so...that's why I ask.

You stated that evolution is evidence that the Bible is nonsense. You need to substantiate that because it is a claim to knowledge.

Is evolution supported in the Bible? Does the Bible discuss it?

[discipulus]

The theory of evolution by natural selection is a theory Deidre. It is not proof of anything.

Holy fucking shit. If I have to explain this one more fucking time I'm going to have a fucking stroke.

It's a fucking SCIENTIFIC THEORY. Not the type of "theory" that people use in normal day to day casual conversation.

A scientific theory is a collection of proven facts that attempt to accurately explain how something works or why something happens.

The theory of evolution, now pay really close attention here, is a collection of facts that form a framework for the explanation for HOW evolution works.

Evolution is a fact. The theory just tries to explain how it works NOT if it's true or not.

Evolution. Fact.

Theory of Evolution. Explanation of that fact.

I agree that things evolve i.e change and adapt over time. We observe that no doubt.

But the atheist who is a proponent of the theory of evolution by natural selection is a person of great faith! He does not simply say that things change or adapt over time, but rather that homo sapiens owe their existence to a series of natural processes acting on matter originating from some primordial soup which somehow happened to come into existence in the midst of a chaotic, mindless, unguided, unplanned, cosmos.

The proponent of said theory asks me to believe something that is so improbable ......

Well just read:

This idea that evolution could have occurred without an intelligent Designer is so improbable as to be fantastic. This has been demonstrated by Barrow and Tipler in their book The Anthropic Cosmological Principle. In this book, they list ten steps in the course of human evolution, each of which is so improbable that before it would have occurred the sun would have ceased to be a main sequence star and would have burned up the earth. They estimate the odds of the evolution of the human genome by chance to be on the order of 4-360 (110,000), a number which is so huge that to call it astronomical would be a wild understatement. In other words, if evolution did occur, it would have been a miracle, so that evolution is actually evidence for the existence of God! And here the Christian can be much more open to where the evidence leads. He could say, "Well, God could have used evolution; He could have used special creation. I'm open to the evidence." But, you see, for the naturalist evolution is the only game in town! No matter how fantastic the odds, no matter how improbable the evidence, he's stuck with it because he hasn't got an intelligent Designer. So it seems to me that the Christian can be far more objective on this point. (Portion of a debate transcript, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia, United States – 1998 - Dr. William Lane Craig)

[*Deidre*]

Deidre, you remarked that my description for the most part describes religion.
Good call.
You have heard: If it walks like a duck, acts like a duck and quacks like a duck- it is probably a duck.

yup. alas, we agree! the end of the world must be near.

jk.

[discipulus]

You stated that evolution is evidence that the Bible is nonsense. You need to substantiate that because it is a claim to knowledge.

Is evolution supported in the Bible? Does the Bible discuss it?

Do not switch the burden over to me Deidre.

I want you to substantiate what you have said.